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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by kyredneck, Sep 13, 2021.

  1. kyredneck

    kyredneck Well-Known Member
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    Does Christ's atonement cover the sin of unbelief?
     
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    Yes. It covers the past sin of unbelief in a person's life after they make the decision to believe in Him as their Lord as well as their Savior.
     
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    Apparently so....at one time I did not believe ;)
     
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    There is no lack or insufficient amount of the blood sacrifice to cover all sin. This is basic to the statement in 1 John 2.

    Without blood there is no remission of sin.

    Christ shed His Blood in one “day” as it was slathered from the garden to the cross.

    This is why Jesus could state, “those that believe are not condemned, those that do not believe are condemned already.”

    Condemnation is dependent upon whether a person’s name is written in the book of life. “All the father gives me …”. All others are “condemned already.”

    So it is not sin, but name written the book of life that are the determination. (The Revelation)

    How is the name in the book of life? God puts it there before time began. (Ephesians).
     
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    Yes. But definitive denial of truth? 2 John 1:9.
     
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    No. A false gospel.
     
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    I probably could have put more thought into it and worded the question better, but I didn't have the enemy in mind for atonement for unbelief:

    7 For many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
    8 Look to yourselves, that ye lose not the things which we have wrought, but that ye receive a full reward.
    9 Whosoever goeth onward and abideth not in the teaching of Christ, hath not God: he that abideth in the teaching, the same hath both the Father and the Son. 2 Jn 1

    Good choice of passage of scripture.
     
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    What about unbelief after conversion?:

    12 Take heed, brethren, lest haply there shall be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God: Heb 3

    Your thoughts?
     
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    I don't know. Can God make a Rock so heavy He can't move it?
    Some things are just best left in the realm of philosophy.
     
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    I still believe so (speaking specifically of the Atonement and not what constitutes "belief").

    I believe Christ atoned for sin whether or men are forgiven of that sin (the judgment becomes Christ centered).
     
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    If the final judgment (Revelation 20) was based upon sin, there would be none redeemed, for all have sinned. (Romans)

    Sin is not mentioned at the final judgement, but works and names written in the lambs book.
    11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before [c]God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second [d]death. 15And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
    One book of life. Sin not mentioned.

    no works gain Heaven for that makes the gain boastful.
     
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    Yes, as all before saved by Him were in that!
     
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    Why wouldn't it?... If we were saved when we were ungodly, sinners and enemies (I'm talking about the elect only, both spiritual Jews and Gentiles) if unbelief is a sin, then Jesus Christ's atonement covers unbelief!... Brother Glen:)

    Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

    9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

    9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

    9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

    Doesn't willeth also cover unbelief?
     
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    1) Unbelief is not only sin, it is the unpardonable sin, the one leading to death. However, past unbelief (our condition at conception) does not preclude subsequent belief which (if God chooses) results in pardon of the past unpardonable sin.

    2) In Romans 9:16 the person who wills is the person claiming to believe and seeking salvation.
     
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    Again, is Van showing human initiation needed to get God’s approval?

    He is using Romans against John?

    Is he demonstrating that God is a god of diminished divine capacity?
     
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    Yes, it covered all the sins of the person for whom Christ gave Himself for.
    Their sins, including their unbelief, were laid on the Lord Jesus Christ by their Father... when Jesus was on the cross ( Isaiah 53:8, Romans 5:6-11, Colossians 2:13-14 ).

    No sin will be charged to them at the Judgment.
     
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    Three questions presenting by implication three falsehoods.
    God's revelation initiates His Redemption plan, and God's conditional election includes placing individuals into Christ, completing our spiritual redemption.
    Calvinism places God in its man-made box, thus they charge others with their malfeasance.
     
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    The Covenant salvation was both full and totally accomplished at the Cross.
    All sin of the elect sheep were paid for.
    Those past over remain in the realm of the dead.
    It is obvious that their unbelief and all others sins are not atoned for.There is no propitiation for unbelievers.
    The wrath of God is continually abiding on them

    Any person suggesting that unbelief is the unpardonable sin does not understand that particular sin as well as the Covenant basis of the cross
     
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    ...for our passover also hath been sacrificed, even Christ 1 Cor 5:7

    I consider the type profound.

    Even after all the wickedness Israel had done in the wilderness after being redeemed from the house of bondage (unbelief, disobedience, murmuring, idolatry, fornication, rebellion, etc.), and even with Balak through Balaam wanting so badly to curse Israel, God made Balaam to declare:

    He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob; Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: Jehovah his God is with him, And the shout of a king is among them. Nu 23:21
    (Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin. Ro 4:8)
     
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    Rarely do you find a post so filled with false doctrine, but the above fills the frame.
    Covenant salvation is false doctrine.
    Jesus's death on the cross provides the means of salvation for all mankind.
    Those not chosen based on crediting their faith as righteousness remain in the "domain of darkness."
    Christ's death provides the means of salvation for all mankind.
    The claim that Christ does not provide the means of salvation for all mankind is false doctrine.
    Yes , the wrath of God continually abides on unbelievers, but can be removed if they believe into Him.
     
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