Now that is funny!! </font>[/QUOTE]Funny? Not seeing the humor in that statement, but what I do see is the absolute inability of men, who are asserting something that is horrendous, to prove their point without twisting scripture.
Since you have been a Baptist, have you . . .
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Craigbythesea, Feb 18, 2006.
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Why? Because Jesus told the man not to go to the funeral, but to follow Him?
If one is not worthy to forsake all and follow Christ, one is not worthy of Christ. -
Diggin,
Since you refuse to comprehend my point I will make it easy for you.
On this side you have a dead parent that has a funeral in a Catholic Church. You refuse to go because you say that by going you are consenting to the Catholic Churches beliefs.
On the other side you have consumer products (an easy everyday example of this analogy). Now when you buy consumer products from companies that are not Christian you are financially supporting this company. This is more then consenting, this is outright financial support. Some examples. Do you buy gas? Are you consenting to the Muslim countries actions? How about the Latin American countries actions? How about causing a loss of labor due to buying outsourced goods?
Now again I say, your consent is much stronger on the consumer side then it is by simply attending a funeral at a Catholic Church. -
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First of all, you do not know where I get my products from, so you cannot accuse me of getting them from muslims or other godless people.
Second, we live in the world, but are not of the world. Some people have to buy products to live. A far cry from deliberately disobeying the Word of God and attending ungodly services to appease another human being.
Thirdly, as far as I am concerned, this debate is over. The Word of God abideth for ever.
Let the dead bury their dead. -
Second of all, you are not forced to buy any product. Now you’ve decided to throw another verse out there without proper context. Last time I checked there are people all over the world that live without the products that you deem necessary to stay breathing. Again you evaded the logical analogies put forth. You said by being there you are consenting to the Catholic faith. I put forth logical analogies, so you could see that this isn’t fact nor is it reasonable and you refused to answer them.
Thirdly, you are right His Word does abide forever, but just not in the context you have put forth.
Please understand that in an informal setting such as Baptist Board, it is hard to tell the attitude of the person on the other side. I care about my brothers and sisters in Christ and if I have offended anyone, please forgive me. I do stand by the premise of my argument 100% in this case and find that many in this thread have erred considerably. -
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So interpreting Scripture the way you do, I can prove that Christ said that we as Christians must bury all dead.. It is here in Romans, plain and simple that we must reckon our selves to be dead....
And since Christ told the man to let the dead bury the dead, then Christ must have meant that all funeral home directors are Christian.
I know, awful hermanuetics, but so are yours. -
We are dead to sin, but alive unto Christ. We are not dead. Try again
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tinytim,
the scripture you used just furthers the truth of what I have been saying all along.
Follow me. Let the dead bury their dead.
If we are dead to sin and alive to God as the scripture you posted above, that further proves what I said. We are not to bury anyone except those who are dead to sin and alive to God.
The spiritually dead bury their own spiritually dead.
Scripture must interpret scripture. Romans 6 passage further backs Matthew 8's account and Luke 9's account.
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wow...so Christian funeral home owners should refuse burial services to non-Christians...
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Man I was trying to be sarcastic!!!
And a little funny... I just can't win..
I think I'll take my verse picker home and go to bed..
cya. -
If only the dead is to bury the dead,...
then a sinner that dies could only be buried by an unsaved undertaker. That's reverse thinking, and totally stupid.
But there are some Baptists in this world that may interpret it that way.. I have seen stranger things in my former Independant, Fundamental, Dysfunctional, Baptist days....
Now I'm going to bed, goodnight all. -
To answer the OP: Yes, I've been to weddings, Christenings, first communions, and funerals at RC churches. When a Roman Catholic friend invites us to one of these events we use them as a witnessing encounter. You would be surprised at how many times the Lord opens the door for evangelism to take place. -
Don’t worry Tim, by his own standards he just called himself a liar. You see he said, “as far as I am concerned this debate is over”. Now you see if I were to use the same pattern of thinking he has put forth it would go something like this. He said for him the debate was over. He then posts’ after this. Thus going against his own words. Thus lying. Now I don’t think Diggin is a liar, a thief, or anything thing else, but without context he just lied. He said the debate was over for him and then he posted again. Now in context he was saying that the debate was over for him, but just as many of us do, he found something else to comment on. This is why context is so important.
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Maybe Diggin's last post was not debate, but final stand.
I see what is being said, and what Diggin has posted makes more sense than the many posts from those arguing with Him.
Jesus never stated Go bury your father, but did indeed say Follow me. Let the dead bury their dead.
I can see where it would make sense for the one who chose to live a sinful lifestyle to be buried by his sinful crowd.
Sure, witness and comfort the family. Christ would want that. But don't go in their pagan places of worship.
I have the same convictions not to go in a pagan church. If I disobey the Holy Spirit and go in there, I will have to answer. To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin. -
No conflict in doing both.
It is obvious Jesus was discussing priorities here.
"Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me."
Have you sold all that you have, including the computer you are typing on and distibuted to the poor so that you can follow Christ? It is clear that if you have not sold everything you have to give to the poor you are not following Him. Are you really ready to go all the way?
To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not to him it is sin.
Let us be consistant.
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As for true Catholic dogma, one need only go to The Council of Trent to see what they really believe on Justification. Why Craig to you think that this council was called in the first place? To lend credibility to Luther and his views on justification?
Here is a sampling from this heretical work:
"If anyone denies that by baptism the guilt of original sin is remitted (or) denies that justice, santification and redemption of Jesus Christ is applied both to adults and to infants by the sacrament of baptism...let him be anathema.
If anyone says that the sacraments of the New Law (i.e. the seven sacramenst of the RCC) are not necessary for salvation...and that without them...men obtain from God through faith alone the grace of justification (see what I mean Tim)..let him be anathema.
If anyone says that baptism...is not necessary for salvation, let him be anathema.
If anyone says that after the reception of grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotteed out...and that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened, let him be anathema.
If anyone says that the sacifice of the mass...wherein that life-giving victim by which we are reconciled to the Father is daily immolated on the altar by priests...is a mere commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross but not a propitiatory one...offered for the living and the dead, for sins, punishments, satisfactions, and other necessities, let him be anathema."
In 1962, at the opening of Vatican II in Rome, Pope John XXIII affirmed, "I do accept entirely all that has been decided and declared at the Council of Trent." Vatican II itself "proposes again the decrees of the Council of Trent." On 12/31/95, honoring the 450th anniversary of the opening of Trent, Pope John Paul II declared, "Its conclusions maintain all their value." (From The Berean Call) </font>[/QUOTE]Since the language spoken at the opening of Vatican II in Rome was not English, I knew immediately that these “quotes” could not possibly be genuine but it took me a few hours to run them down and find where they came from. Here is what I learned:
On August 13, 1997, a patient at Saint Mary’s of Bethlehem had a nightmare about Pope John and posted to the hospital’s message board that John Paul said these things at the opening of Vatican II. On September 6, 1997, a fanatical anti-Catholic “ministry” found these “quotes” on that hospital’s message board and quoted them as actual quotes on their web site. Since then, 769 more anti-Catholic web sites have copied these words word for word and quoted them on their web sites. Whoops, I just woke up from a nightmare! :D
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I have no problem going to a funeral - you are the one setting standards for following Christ.
You have told me that I cannot go to a funeral and follow Christ. How is the selling all we have to give to the poor any different? Can you point out to me why I cannot go to a funeral and yet keep all my stuff and not sell it to give money to the poor?
I am consistant - are you?
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