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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by preacher4truth, Jan 3, 2014.
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The Biblicist Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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I see both believe knowing God is a personal achievement. Such boasting and belief is rather unbiblical, is against the revelation of truth, and is quite a solemn thing to behold as it reminds one of 2 Timothy 3:7. -
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There is such a thing as "vain" faith (1 Cor. 15:2). There is such a thing as "dead" faith (James 2). There are those who professed to believe but are still children of Satan (Jn. 8:29-45 - follow the pronouns).
Mt 11:27 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knows the Son, but the Father; neither knows any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Lu 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knows who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
- it is not possible because knowing God does not originate with "flesh and blood" but is by divine revelation (Mt. 16:17; Gal. 1:15-16; 2 Cor. 4:6;)
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Job 38:41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.
Psa 147:9 He giveth to the beast his food, and to the young ravens which cry.
I don't expect you to understand this, but animals trust in God and cry out to him. This is a form of faith, not for salvation, but for protection and sustenance.
Mat 6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
But God will not believe for you, you must believe for yourself if you dare. -
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Apples and oranges.
You've claimed a dog has faith just as man, and that in a salvific sense. 'Even a dog has faith'.
Yes wonman, I'm sure you can find more proof texts to show an animal has the same inherent faith and ability as a human. Please share more of these.
But hey, I got a laugh out of your ad hominem 'I don't expect you to understand this'. :laugh:
I take note that winman believes God enables man to believe, yet a dog has this inherent ability on it's own, just like humans...lol. Unreal. -
"If "personal achievement" has been given then you did not achieve "personal achievement." It is really that simple."
That sentence doesn't make a lot of sense, but it seems you are attempting to argue that if God effectually made you achieve something then that it's not a "personal achievement." Would that be accurate? If so, can you give us any example of a personal achievement in your world view? Do they even exist? -
Has any Calvinist personally achieved anything, ever? I'm pretty sure normal, objective Calvinists, ones not in the heat of a debate where they are bent on strawmanning a monster, would admit that they do in fact have personal achievements. They would just give glory to God for those personal achievements because they believe He effectually caused them to come to pass.
I don't believe any rational thinking Calvinist would deny that he personally achieved that which God effectually caused him to personally achieve, as that would be pure non-sense. But some apparently would rather adopt a position of pure non-sense than to willingly enter a rational discussion with a fellow believer who happens to disagree with them on any soteriological point. -
Psa 34:2 My soul shall make her boast in the LORD: the humble shall hear thereof, and be glad.
Psa 44:5 Through thee will we push down our enemies: through thy name will we tread them under that rise up against us.
6 For I will not trust in my bow, neither shall my sword save me.
7 But thou hast saved us from our enemies, and hast put them to shame that hated us.
8 In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah.
These verses are very similar to Psa 118:6
Psa 118:6 The LORD is on my side; I will not fear: what can man do unto me?
It is not wrong to boast in the Lord when you trust in him. This is shown over and over again, especially in the OT.
Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
You guys are ridiculous and it is obvious you are just trying to gang up on Skandelon and misrepresent him. -
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Does Paul ask how a man shall believe on Jesus unless he is regenerated? NOPE, Paul does not say that here or anywhere in scripture. Paul simply implies that a man must hear of Jesus to believe on him. This shows that man's inability is due to ignorance or lack of knowledge, not that he is unable to believe.
Now you show me where Paul ever says a man must be regenerated to have the ability to believe. You can't do it. -
(I will make an educated guess that the pet is a Pomeranian named ‘Foo-Foo.’)
I quote the ‘blessing’ from authoritative sources:
“Foo-Foo, may you be blessed in the Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
[The Priest makes the sign of the cross on Foo-Foo’s forehead]
"May you and brother Winman enjoy life together and find joy with the God who created you."
Foo-Foo’s favorite film: “All Dogs Go To Heaven.”
Favorite Quote: “All dogs go to heaven because, unlike people, dogs are naturally good and loyal and kind.” -
Brother, I don' believe any animal has faith, but there's no way of proving they do or don't either. Dogs have love, and I think that might be what you're misapplying for faith, imo...
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Any sinless baby should know that.
I'm sure the Franciscan priest, the nuns, parishioners and all their animal friends get a huge laugh when you bring her to the 'blessing.'
I'd even bet St. Francis himself is smiling up from Perdition. -
Brother Protestant, that's no way of showing respect to a fellow Brother in Christ...I am talking about the pet and blessing post...
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Come on Brother, you're better than this. Keep your blows above the belt please...
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The important thing to remember is that on BB we have a 'mod' 'moderating' and giving infractions to others who do not believe knowing the Lord is a 'personal achievement'.
All those who believe it is all of grace, and not due to personal achievement are to be 'watched closely' as enemies. I've not met a Baptist in real life that believes the practices supported here. :)
This and you'll be called a liar, something ALLEGEDLY against BB rules, and the evidence of the accusation will remain unfounded and allowable.
But, dare a person call these who believe they've attained knowledge of the Lord via personal achievement the same, and it's a guarantee said will be singled out and harassed thread to thread. :) -
Has Calvinism turned you into a crybaby? I have been called every name in the book and then some, and I have managed to maintain my sense of humor.
I liked you much better when you were a rotten Arminian.
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