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  1. One Baptism

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    Continued from previous - The azaz'el goat only represents the devil in type, not in actuality. The Idol goats of Egypt, etc are just that idols, and here is what Moses, Paul and John said of that:

    They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new [gods that] came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. - Deuteronomy 32:17

    Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. - Romans 1:25

    What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? - 1 Corinthians 10:19

    But I [say], that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. - 1 Corinthians 10:20

    And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: - Revelation 9:20

    There are no half man/devil-half goats running around, and never were. The pagan mythos of the half-beasts [like the Lamasu of Babylon and Persia, & Egyptian god's, etc], are counterfeits ["a lie" says Paul] to what God utilizes in symbol, for instance see the Four Living Creatures of the visions of Ezekiel and Revelation. These are connected also with the Tribes of Israel.
     
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    No Brother, for though there is no 'direct' mention in Jude, but there is direct reference to them therein, for the context of Jude, follows 2 Peter, and both refer to the events surrounding the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, of which Abraham, Lot and the 3 visitors ['Jesus' and two angels] all are witnessed in Genesis 17-19, amidst the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah:

    For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. - Jude 1:4

    Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. - Jude 1:7

    Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. - Jude 1:8

    These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. - Jude 1:16

    etc.​

    Please compare Jude to 2 Peter, see also here - http://www.jesuswalk.com/2peter/parallels.htm

    And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; - 2 Peter 2:6

    And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: - 2 Peter 2:7

    (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds;) - 2 Peter 2:8

    Please notice the "lusts", "defile the flesh", "fornication" and the "going after strange flesh" of the wicked men of Sodom and Gomorrah in Jude, for which they were destroyed by that "eternal fire", an "example" of that which is coming upon the whole world:

    And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring [them] out of this place: - Genesis 19:12

    For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it. - Genesis 19:13

    And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. - Genesis 19:15

    Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; - Genesis 19:24

    And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. - Genesis 19:25

    And he looked toward Sodom and Gomorrah, and toward all the land of the plain, and beheld, and, lo, the smoke of the country went up as the smoke of a furnace. - Genesis 19:28

    And it came to pass, when God destroyed the cities of the plain, that God remembered Abraham, and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow, when he overthrew the cities in the which Lot dwelt. - Genesis 19:29

    ...to be continued...
     
  4. One Baptism

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    Notice, Revmitchell, said:

    To which you replied:
    To which was given, there is no 'second' part about 'fornication', since the word for 'fornication' is only used once, and the latter part does not mean 'fornication' ever, in any language, in any text:
    Angels having another kind of "flesh" than human flesh, it is hetero-sarx. The very Chiasm of the text removes any possibility of angel-fornication or procreation, and further-more, 'fornication' [as you hold to among devils/humans] in no way states anything about procreation or giving of offspring, for differing "kinds" cannot bring offspring, as it is written in Genesis 1, for "kind" may only bring forth after "kind". The two [procreation, fornication] are not equal terms either. Additionally, in Genesis 6, wherein the "sons of God", not 'devils' "took them wives". Since when is marriage [as Christ Jesus stated about the days of Noah] to "wives", fornication, since it is written:

    Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. - Hebrews 13:4

    Man-kind "of this world" has "seed". Where in any text, do angels [which are not of this world], ever have "seed"? Please produce that text as soon as you are able.

    Lastly, out of all of Scripture, nowhere, in any text, in the lists of the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah, is ever given as devil-human fornication.

    Nowhere in Jude, Genesis 17-19, did any man actually perpetrate any sexual contact with the "two angels", but scripture elsewhere proclaims more specifically the "abominations" which actually took place there in those cities [homosexual acts amongst men and amongst women, both laying with beasts, incest [as even Lot's daughters still managed to retain the idea of from such wicked cities, Genesis 19:31-38], all manner of fornication, lasciviousness, etc.].

    See Exodus 22:19; Leviticus 18:6-30, 20:10-27; Deuteronomy 22:5, 24:4, 29:23, 32:32-33; Proverbs 6:16-19; Jeremiah 49:18, 50:40; 1 Corinthians 6:19; 1 Timothy 1:10; "sin of Sodom" [Lamentations 4:6; Isaiah 3:9]; their "sin is very grievous" [Genesis 18:20], not only was "pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy" prevalent but also committing "abomination" [Ezekiel 16:46-50] and "the men of Sodom [were] wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly" [Genesis 13:13;p] and thinking only about men, not knowing who the "two" actually were, those of the city of Sodom "the men of the city, [even] the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:" [Genesis 19:4;p] said, "Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." [Genesis 19:5] being the "the iniquity of the city" [Genesis 19:18] and vacillating/compromising Lot still tries to appease them with his own daughters [Genesis 19:8].

    "...God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:" [Romans 1:26]

    "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." [Romans 1:27]​

    There is no mention in Genesis 6 of 'devils'-human fornication, nor in 2 Peter, nor in Jude, nor in Job, nor mentioned by Jesus, etc, etc. It is non-existent, a lie, a deception of satan.
     
  5. Calypsis4

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    I am not going there again with you, one baptism.

    You sir, are a scripture twister, your posts are boring, tedious to read and quite frankly your logic reeks with unbelief. You position is in error and I gave attention to great detail to establish the truth of the demonic manifestation as humans.

    Devils can indeed take on human appearance and there was one of then in particular that left his first estate to do so. Jesus said so:

    "have not I chosen you twelve and one of you is a devil?" John 6:70.

    Judas was the only other man in history besides Antichrist to be called 'the son of perdition' (hell). But naturally with your unbelieving mind you will undoubtedly rationalize that also.
     
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    Devils mating with humans? No. And none of the reports, even of John Winthrop - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Winthrop#Religious_controversies say any such thing as we are led to believe that this historical account, told from the accusing side, is to be in any way related to the OP topic - http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=99504. Those which accused here, as John Winthrop, blamed such events on the women's [proclaimed] "heretical" views, producing such 'births', after the facts. They looked for anything 'evil' to accuse them of heresy in evidence.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Hutchinson#Final_pregnancy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydatidiform_mole

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Dyer#Monstrous_birth

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephaly

    "... As for his Analogy, which he observes betwixt her productions and opinions, That as she held thirty of the one, so she brought forth thirty of the other: Gods wisdome (he saith) fitting those to these: It is a monstrous conception of his brain, a spurious issue of his intellect, acted upon by a sweatish and Feaverish zeal, which indeed beats almost in every line; and resolves his in themselves imperfect sometimes, if not feigned facts into phanatique meditations. For first the proportion is not exact, for he reckons not 30. opinions which he cals Mrs. Hutchinsons, and those many of them coincident too, made more I suppose to prepare for his conceit. Secondly, but admit it were, yet his Notion * [*7] is impertinent, for he brings in defects of Nature, amongst defects of Manners. ..." [John Wheelwright; His Writings, including his fast-day sermon, 1637, and his Mercurius Americanus, 1645; with a paper upon the genuineness of the Indian deed of 1629, and a Memoir by Charles H. Bell, A.M. Boston: Printed for the Prince Society. 1876

    See also "Mercurius Americanus, Mr. Weld's, His Antitype, Or Massachusetts' Great Apologie Examined: Being Observations Upon a Paper Styled A Short Story of the Rise, Reign, and Ruine of the Familists, Libertines, &c., which Infected the Churches of New-England, &c"]; see also pages 195-198 internal [also as, page 232-235 of the scanned document]
    - https://archive.org/stream/johnwheelwright01bellgoog#page/n232/mode/1up

    Even the wikipedia article, states:

    "While some of the description may have been accurate, many puritanical embellishments were added to better fit the moral story being portrayed by the authorities. The modern medical condition that best fits the description of the infant is anencephaly, meaning partial or complete absence of a brain.[27] This episode was just the beginning of the attention emanating from Dyer's personal tragedy. The religion of the Puritans demanded a close look at all aspects of one's life for signs of God's approval or disapproval. Even becoming a member of the Puritan church in New England required a public confession of faith, and any behavior that was viewed by the clergy as being unorthodox required a theological examination by the church, followed by a public confession and repentance by the offender.[31] Such microscopic inspection caused even private matters to become looked at publicly for the purpose of instruction, and Dyer's tragedy was widely examined for signs of God's judgment. This led to a highly subjective form of justice, an example of which was the 1656 hanging of Ann Hibbins whose offense was simply being resented by her neighbor. In Winthrop's eyes Dyer's case was unequivocal, and he was convinced that her monstrous birth was a clear signal of God's displeasure with the antinomian heretics. Winthrop felt that it was quite providential that the discovery of the monstrous birth occurred exactly when Anne Huthinson was excommunicated from the local body of believers, and exactly one week before Dyer's husband was questioned in the Boston church for his heretic opinions.[32]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Dyer#Monstrous_birth

    Shame, brother, shame.

    Repent.
     
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    The Lord rebuke you. You will belive anything that takes you away from the truth. You will be talking to the wind when you try to post me from now on.
     
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    Judas was ONLY a man, who was possessed by satan, as he was never saved!
     
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    "... In every generation God has sent His servants to rebuke sin, both in the world and in the church. But the people desire smooth things spoken to them, and the pure, unvarnished truth is not acceptable. ..." [The Great Controversy, Page 606] -
    The Truth, the evidence is all over the place -​
     
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    I don't think angels even amateur-create.
     
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    Right here they are:

    Numbers 13:33 (ESV) And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them."
     
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