Yes, I agree. When their mind is closed to the truth of God's word, that the gifts of tongues, prophecy, and knowledge have passed away and their experience is more important to them than God's word, then they will not receive from God that which He wants them to have. Their mind and heart are closed to His leading. :(
Soteriologyish
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by JonC, Apr 3, 2016.
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He did not say, "But now tongues, prophecy, knowledge, faith, hope, and love remain—these six. The greatest of these is love."
Nope. Paul made the timing very clear. It had already happened that the gifts were no longer being given to new converts and as those already gifted aged and passed away the gifts passed away with them. QED :) -
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My disagreement is not that prophecy exists in the local church (it is not needed) or that tongues are spoken in the local church (they are not for the church) but that Paul is not saying that with the completion of Revelation these things cease. They cease when they are not needed. -
We will never have God's entire plan. We don't need God's entire plan. But what has been revealed of God has been revealed in Scripture. The book would be the Bible. -
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Sign gifts authenticated the giving of revelation.
When revelation ceased so did the authenticating sign gifts. :) -
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I think understanding the passage to mean the completion of the Bible to be reading into the text and the text itself more general in nature.
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a. An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will.
b. A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.
Seems it is by definition. -
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Prophecy comes from the Greek word propheteia, which literally means “to speak forth” (pro, “forth”; phemi, “to speak”). According to Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 10th Edition, a prophet can be one who foretells the future or one who utters divinely inspired revelations.
So while prophecy is indeed prediction, it also means proclaiming God's truth. W.E. Vine says in his Dictionary of New Testament Words that a prophet is “a proclaimer of a divine message.... one to whom and through whom God speaks.” Vine also tells us that “propheteia... signifies the speaking forth of the mind and counsel of God.... Though much of Old Testament prophecy was purely predictive,... prophecy is not necessarily, nor even primarily, fore-telling. It is the declaration of that which cannot be known by natural means,... it is the forth-telling of the will of God, whether with reference to the past, the present, or the future” (s.v. “prophet,” “prophecy,” emphasis added).
John Meakin, Religion and Spirituality, The Other Prophecy, Winter 2000 Issue -
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1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Notice his short term prophecy must come true. We have no such men in our age.
Jer. 28:9. “The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to
pass, [then] shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him.”
True prophet's predictions must come to pass, ALL of them.
We have no such men in our time Prophecy has ceased and therefore so too the othet temporary things. -
That is the whole point of this discussion, which you seem, once again, to have missed! :rolleyes:
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