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Sovereign choice of God part deux

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by SovereignGrace, Apr 15, 2017.

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  1. SovereignGrace

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    So if we humble ourselves He will bestow grace unto us?

    Now, why do some humble themselves and others, not so much?
     
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    You tell me, brother?
     
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    I asked you first.

    Why?
     
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    Take it to the Lord brother. How many times a week do you go out soul winning/sharing the gospel? How many people did you share the gospel with this week?
     
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    I am talking about pre-salvation, not post.
     
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    I can only know what my mind was thinking when/before I was saved. I rejected because I was a proud member of the RCC. Then God spoke to my heart and said I'm going to hell even if I'm a member. That was months before I was regenerated.
     
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    I work in a hosital and talk to many.
     
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    I'm asking how often you share the gospel...give detail.
     
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    That was God breaking you down. It was He who humbled you, as well as He did me.
     
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    Well, working in a public hospital, I have to word my words carefully, as we have laws about keeping Jesus out of the public square.

    I will ask them if they go to church and if they say no, I tell them they need to go. But I could get fired, so I step lightly.

    I don't like it, but it is the world we live in today.
     
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    And one can either harden their heart (like Pharoah) or accept the Truth (countless people in the Gospels)
     
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    I'm not talking about just your work place. How many times did you intentionally give a full account of the Work of our Lord Jesus Christ?
     
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    But once God breaks that stony heart to pieces...
     
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    You accused me of believing God did a terrible job when He made man. That is a falsehood and a nasty falsehood at that.

    And I can't help but think it is a deliberate attempt to avoid answering my question regarding Total Depravity.

    So, I ask again, What part of man, body, soul, or spirit, was not affected by the fall and is thus righteous enough to approach God on its own merits, without the sacrifice of Christ?
     
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    Well, with my work schedule...work nights...I work or I am home. I am working 11-12 days per every two weeks. But I do witness mainly at work.
     
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    What part of the Literal, Historical-Grammatical Hermeneutic do you consider "bad?"
     
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    Hey, I admit I need to do more. But I do the very best I can with my allotted time.
     
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    And that is the question no synergist can answer without adding his own works to the UNfinished work on the cross. :(
     
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    Because some are elect and some are not. That seems patently obvious to me. But I understand why you want to avoid answering the question.
     
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    Let's get back to the OP...

    You are putting the onus on man not God.

    You are saying unless someone humbles themselves, exercises faith(I agree, but you say faith is not a gift whereas I do) God can't save them.

    God knew none would seek, none understood, none would humble themselves, so He took over and did it for them.

    He did what we couldn't do.
     
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