Ok..you reject that verse.
You need more?
2 cor 7
For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us.
10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
Sovereignty, Free Will, & Romans 9
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Humblesmith, Jan 6, 2011.
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Do you have an actual verse that says God desires sorrow (personally, not for any man)? The way you have obfuscated here, I'm guessing not... -
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Do you agree with logos that Calvinist see the words of Calvin higher than Holy Spirit? -
verse 3...
Hebrews 12:4-8:
In this all-out match against sin, others have suffered far worse than you, to say nothing of what Jesus went through—all that bloodshed! So don't feel sorry for yourselves. Or have you forgotten how good parents treat children, and that God regards you as his children?
My dear child, don't shrug off God's discipline,
but don't be crushed by it either.
It's the child he loves that he disciplines;
the child he embraces, he also corrects.
God is educating you; that's why you must never drop out. He's treating you as dear children. This trouble you're in isn't punishment; it's training, the normal experience of children.
BTW...did you see this word?
2 cor 7
For you became sorrowful as God intended and so were not harmed in any way by us.
10 Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
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Last time...when has God PERSONALLY desired sorrow FOR HIMSELF. -
I don't know. Unless you mean Christ who is God.
is this the verse you mean?
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him(Christ); he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. -
I'm not sure you understand what it means to desire sorrow personally. If it pleases the Lord to do anything it contradicts what I am asking.
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again, I believe you said what you want.
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I changed my mind. Here is what you said "Again how do you remove God's will from his plan?". I asked if God desires sorrow (since it would need to be in His plan). Christ lamenting over Jerusalem shows clearly it was not His plan for Israel to reject their Messiah, hence the sorrow. He even said how much He wanted to gather them under His wings showing His will.
Now, I do realize you will reject this as you do with anything else, but it is what it is. -
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Now more to the point. Do you know of a quote where a Calvinst has said Calvins words are higher than Scripture? -
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If I were to say that some people on here rely more on Robert Snow than God, I should be expected to support such a WILD and INSULTING and RIDICULOUS claim.
If you had any honor you would support this claim of yours.
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He has been the most up-front from his side, than all others on this thread. Of course I do not expect much from some here. Those few I have never known them to admit error in the time I have been here.
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