Tancredo: Take out their holy sites

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The terrorists camp around innocents to protect themsleves Much like hamas does. What should be done is to take the terrorist sout and condemn the using of innocents as sheilds. when they lose public support for that tactic they will lose supprot for their cause. Otherwise they get to run free. And this is an either or situation.

 

That in no way answers my question; I am still aghast that someone who - given your BB name, presumably - professes to be a follower of Jesus Christ can espouse such a diabolically murderous policy.

Words fail me.

 

and yet you have littel problem with existing trainig camps that kill many more thousands. Either way innocents are going to die. Either at the training camps or potentially anothe WTC or nuclear bomb which under any circumstances is unacceptable.

 

The training camps should be taken out wherever possible; show me where I said I was against that. What I am against is the deliberate infliction of a wholly unacceptable level of so-called 'collateral damage' (a rather slimy euphemism for mass-murder) you are advocating.

 

here is a good question. Why are women in those camps? Are they held against their will? Or do they support the terrorists actions? I would suggest that they go there willingly to give support and cover to the terrorists. Not so sure about just how innocent they are. And why would a sane mother take their children to such a place? They know their lives are at risk and they may die.

 

You don't know and neither do I; it would be reckless to speculate and subsequently take action leading to the deaths of innocents based on that speculation.

 

What about the innocents that will be murdered in a much greater number because of their training and planning.

 

When civilians freely and without compulsion from these terrorists choose to live with and within or near their camps knowing who they are, then they are with that group, and, believe me, if they see you, Matt Black, in a British uniform, anywhere near their area, they will tell the terrorists where you are, they will run after you, they will help capture you, and they will probably wail their victory wails while the terrorists are cutting your head off.

During the Clinton regime, it was said that they had a chance to bomb Osama bin Laden's training camp, and Clinton cancelled the operation because there were women and children in the area.

Well, a few years later, bin Laden funded and masterminded the attack on the twin towers which killed more or less 3000 Americans and other nationals who had absolutely nothing at all to do with their hatred for the American government.

I would rather it be their women and children next time, than ours.

 

Then it is incumbent upon us to find better ways of defeating them more in keeping with the teachings of Jesus Christ, if we wish to claim to be His followers.

 

Again, you are speculating. When you posit something other than a strawman, I might engage with you.

 

It is based on the assumption that the women and children are there knowingly and voluntarily. That's one heck of a 'leap of faith' to make - neither you, he, nor I know that.

 

Then don't "engage". I always have to wonder about the folks in the world who seem to find away to shoot down any and I mean any attempt to defeat the terrrorists. They seem almost supportive of them. But what I suppose is that they are feeling poorly for the poor terrorists who are only acting out like a spoiled child because of "policy" and we have mistreated them. The only acceptable way of handling them is to change policy so they will be happy and leave everybody alone.


By the way. Not going to happen. We will continue to support Israel. And thopse who do not like it can go an pat a terrorist on the back and say "its Ok" right before he cuts your head off.

 

The 'leap of faith' is what you are doing, matt. you will not survive one minute even in my country's Muslim area, with your 'basic goodness of man' mentality.

You'll find yourself a hostage, and beheaded, thanks to the 'smiling children and women' who follow you around and offer you a drink of water.

 

Now you're both being utterly absurd.

 

He is INSANE.
Let's think about that: are we going to punish the entire Muslim community for the actions of the extremists?
If we took out a holy site, that would unite the ENTIRE Muslim world against us. Are you ready for that, and what it would bring?

Regards, despite my feelings on Tancredo - I am very fond of you LadyEagle!!

BiR (heading back to Richmond)

 

The neo-"con" thinking that has permeated American thinking since 9/11/2001 is frightening, BiR.

Everyone needs to stand firm and not be afraid of the neo-"cons". They need to be defeated, not feared!

 

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1) Are you saying that Muslims don't live their children? If so, then that statement is just plum silly.

2) We all come out of the womb as evil people. And the only righteousness we ever have is the imputed righteousness of Christ Jesus by the grace of God.