Terror on the Strip! Sniper guns down concert goers ...

Of course all the gun control Communists are now all over TV spewing their trash.

 

That is a weird magazine. Look how wide it is.

 

For the record, when liberals stop murdering Innocent babies, I might talk to them about guns.

 

His point was NOT that making it illegal isn't worthwhile; the point is that if making such things illegal hasn't stopped them, then they weren't the cause in the first place.

Why haven't we banned cars? They've been used several times in the last couple of years to plow into crowds of people.

How about fertilizer? As someone else pointed out, it was used to blow up a federal building in Oklahoma City.

Shall we pull up other examples of things that there are millions being used, but only a few were used in a horrific way?

Enforcing existing gun laws, adding more -- doesn't address the real problems. We shouldn't be asking "when are we going to ban guns"; we should be asking, "why would anyone commit such an atrocity?" If we can address the answers to that question--and note I said "answers," not "answer"--then we will see things change.

 

Yes but that's not a reason to not criminalise behaviour is it? I haven't missed the point because ...er...you didn't have one

 

Well, with a few exceptions, we've made them illegal here and I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of mass shootings in my lifetime. I've lost count when it comes to the US...

Same with Australia: they banned nearly all guns after the Port Arthur Massacre 20 years ago and their gun related homicide rate dropped dramatically.

 

I am sorry you resort to ad hominems.

I answered Don's point above.

 

Nope. Public safety trumps private desire on this one.

 

Of course the number of mass shootings went down; but how many mass killings have there been by other means?

I lived in England for three years; there was a report *every day* of crimes being committed with illegal guns (because, other than over/under shotguns, they're all pretty much illegal), or with knives or other weapons. As I mentioned in my previous post, vehicles are a weapon of choice these days; should we start doing background checks for driver's license?

The point you're missing is, *address the cause* and you won't need to address the tools.

 

As do we here. Tell me how many tyrannical governments in Washington the exercise of the Second Amendment has overthrown? And how many mass killings have resulted from it in recent history? Go compare...

 

Not an either-or. Addressing the cause is medium to long term. Banning guns is also the short term solution. You have 58 more reasons to do this now. How many more reasons do you need? How many more innocents have to die? The rest of the civilised world looks at American obsession with guns and shakes its head...

 

And what about the rights of of the 58 dead? Don't they have the right to life? And doesn't that right trump other rights? Conservative Christians go on about the right to life - and rightly so. But until that right is extended to all - not just those in the womb - you're not really pro-life at all. Quite the opposite in fact.

 

Do you actually stop and read some of the junk you sling around Matt? Honestly, why waste forum resources with such drivel.

 

Junk, eh? Better than being pro-death...

His post implied that because banning something - murder - wouldn't eradicate it, it shouldn't be banned. He has since attempted to weasel his way out of that position but his attitude and that of others here towards the murderous use of firearms seems oddly ...well...liberal: "let's address the root causes of gun violence/ murder/ rape rather than criminalise it"