In my quote of you
In your quote of you
When you say "sovereign over evil" do you mean He commands it? ordains? or that He permits it?
What about when He laments the evil saying "what more could I have done that I have not done" ???
And "why will you die? turn to Me and live" ???
in Christ,
Bob
The 5 Points that lead me out of Calvinism
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Skandelon, Dec 30, 2014.
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Speaking of God not ordaining the evil of rejecting the Gospel --
[FONT="]“He CAME to HIS OWN and [/FONT][FONT="]His OWN received Him not[/FONT][FONT="]” John 1[/FONT]
[FONT="]Matt 23[/FONT]
[FONT="]37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. [/FONT]
[FONT="]38“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate![/FONT]
[FONT="]Luke 7[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 [/FONT][FONT="]When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they acknowledged God’s justice, having been baptized with the baptism of John. [/FONT]
[FONT="]29 [/FONT][FONT="]But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT="]Is 5:4[/FONT][FONT="]
What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?[/FONT][FONT="]
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[FONT="] Well the Calvinist would have an answer for God's question on that one. An answer contrived via “extreme inference” in places like Deut 5:29. Calvinism would inform the world – and God Himself of just what God did to cause the lamentable result that God is complaining about in t[FONT="]he verse above[/FONT].
[FONT="]I[FONT="]n Calvinism i[/FONT][/FONT]f the result is wrong if it is to be lamented if the question [FONT="]is to be asked "What more could have been done" w[FONT="]ell [/FONT][/FONT]then Calvinism argues He [FONT="]knows exactly what He failed to do [/FONT] - [FONT="]in effect [/FONT] sabotaging His own plans - the cause of His own "lament" - or at the very least - being forgetful to "do the necessary" as the saying goes in India.[/FONT] -
I believe that the Truths of Tulip, what they represent, are nothing short of the proclaiming the Truths of the Gospel of God's Grace and Why ! I believe therefore to reject them is equally rejecting the Gospel of God's Grace in Christ !
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Been in this forum long enough to pinpoint those who really make an effort to pigeon hole those of us who see DOG as scriptural, as being Absolute Predestination Believers.....which is quite untrue.
Seriously these guys need the Bible when it comes to predestination which only lines out the regeneration portion of salvation......not every stinking move you make. You know, its just a total misrepresentation of DOCTRINES OF GRACE theology. -
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What about when He laments the evil that is done in rejecting the Gospel by saying "what more could I have done that I have not done" ???
And "why will you die? turn to Me and live" ??? -
That being said Skan should address the Scripture whether he addresses me or not. The Scripture is the definitive factor; not my opinion, not his opinion! -
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It is comical though watching the ole typical standby comebacks of: “deeply troubling”, “contrary to scripture”, “has no clue what “Reformed Theology” teaches”, “resembles the RCC line of thought”, ...and of course the personal insults begin: “the typical Arminian ignorance and arrogance”, and finally the rhetorical, “nobody cares", "moved away from solid theology", "something must be wrong with the guy” arguments, followed by the ole thumbs ups,… (And that was just on the first page and a half ) :laugh:
…YET no one, NOT ONE “Calvinist” has bothered to look past his Deterministic view of Divine Sovereignty (question begging) and actually address the full premise of the argument which deals with the false idea of divine deterministic sovereign control from eternity.
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Bill C: “God determined all things that ever happen from eternity, He is Sovereign."
Bob A: "Did God determine the things Jeffrey Dahmer did?"
Bill C: "No, Jeffrey Dahmer did what he did because of his nature."
Bob A: "Who determined Jeffrey Dahmer’s nature?"
Bill C: "God did, He determines all things, He is Sovereign."
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Bob A.: "How can it be that God determined Dahmer's nature, Dahmer is a slave to his nature, yet God is not responsible?"
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Repeated post....see below
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Much more to this that needs to be considered -
I said the following on another thread:
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Sophomoric? It's at least Junior or Senior level. lol -
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