Indeed, let us hear what the Spirit says, not what some huckster selling a church age theory out of his wagon says.
I suggest you get the commentary on Revelation by Robert Mounce.
The Book of Revelation by Robert H. Mounce (9780802825377) | Best Commentaries
The "7 Church Ages" Prophecy
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by rockytopva, Sep 1, 2022.
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19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.- Revelation 1:19-20
1. Candlestick - Make your church the candestick of the last age
2. Stars - Make yourself the angel of the last age
3. The Sale - Convince people they are being disobedient for not holding to your point of view.
Please note the prophecy says these things pertain to the things which shall be hereafter. In which it is the thing to do to arrive at a point of being, "rich, and increased with goods, and in need of nothing." These are indeed Laodicean times! -
Your "plug and play" theory just doesn't work in reality, but you have twisted your own mind to try make it for for you.
Mounce, in his commentary, is an excellent historian regarding the 7 churches. He is a Covenant Theologian when interpreting Revelation, which means that history and the New Covenant guide him in understanding what John wrote. But, you reject it out of hand and choose the theory of uneducated snake oil salesmen who have grown rich off their hokum -
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The 7 Ages of the Church I believe is possible and a good Catholic View of this is one that the Ven. Bartholomew Holzhauser had in the 1630’s. Hopefully soon I will be putting a Catholic Version of the End Times on a thread. When you say you go to a charismatic church, which church are you talking about? -
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There was a Catholic church before there was a Protestant
There was a Orthodox church before there was a Catholic
And... A lot of change! -
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The whole "7 church ages" thingie is horse feathers. Jesus dictated 7 letters to 7 churches that existed at the time, knowing there'd be types of each of them around after the originals were gone. (The only one still existing is in Alasehir, priginally Philadelphia, Turkey.) This nonsense was started by Darby in England & spread here by such charlatans as William M. Branham. While there are still types of all 7 of those old churches around today, the doctrine of church ages is false.
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I do believe....
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20 - Revelation 2:1
Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry
Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life
Angels - The current preacher to the congregation.
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4
If this interpretation is not correct why all the ado? And... If you have a better interpretation please post your info! I dont mind for people to disagree with me and may end up learning a thing of two! I believe the churches came down as seven and each congregation is different in their generation!
Unfortunately we also have names such as William Branham, whom I believe was trying to make himself the leader of the church. An angel is a messenger. Any of us can be a messenger. I do not wish to elevate a preacher or denomination. -
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And I believe the advantage of the Baptist church is that they have their roots in three ages…
Sardis - Solid biblical doctrine
Philadelphia - A few good evangelist
Laodicea - Several large churches -
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I gave my best defense here. I can’t blame folk for not liking names such as William Branham as I don’t care much for the guy either. I got a taste of the old Philadelphian church from the old timers who have long departed this earth. If I could go back in time I would love to sit in church once again with them.
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Well, rocky, your defense is the equivalent of a sieve trying to hold water. Not very good.
It's clear you are going to keep believing in the hokum of the 7 church age theory that has zero biblical support.
Just keep it to yourself so others don't have to be exposed to its foolishness. -
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These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 2:1 -
rocky, place your faith in God's word instead of some person's theory from the 1800's. -
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These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 2:1
The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.- Revelation 1:20 -
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