The Baptism with the Holy Ghost

Yep. But there are better things we can be doing with our time, brother.


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I added nothing:


John 14:15-18
King James Version (KJV)

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.


John 14:20-23
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20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


Acts 1:4-5
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4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Again you call the Baptism with the Holy Ghost mythical, despite being verified by statements of John (the Baptist), Jesus Christ, and Peter:


Matthew 3:11-12
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11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.


Acts 1:4-5
King James Version (KJV)

4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.


Acts 11:13-16
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13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.



Truly Paul taught this as well, extensively, but, let's take baby steps and just try to see the Baptism with the Holy Ghost in these three passages. We can move on to implicit teachings after you forsake your rejection of a major Basic Principle of Christian Theology.


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So you had eternal life prior to your conversion?

Because Christ went to Abraham...after He was glorified?

When were you immersed into God in eternal union, TCassidy?

How, when I post the very Scriptures that make my point (that the Baptism with the Holy Ghost is mentioned more than once as you suggest (and reiterated only in the Gospels apparently)), am I making God a liar?

Would that charge better rest upon your shoulders, who have more than once (no pun intended) said the BAptism with the Holy Ghost is...

...mythical?

The Baptism in view is not water baptism, the text defines which baptism is in view:


Ephesians 4
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4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.


It is our being baptized into Christ that is in view.

Anyone that thinks of water baptism here is ignoring the rest of the statement.

That is the only conclusion that can be drawn when you say...

...because John's disciples were baptized with the Holy Ghost in Acts 19. If the Baptism with the Holy Ghost was only to show Gentiles were accepted then we must conclude that John's disciples in the wilderness were Gentiles, right?


Acts 19
King James Version (KJV)

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.


Now, here is the question I pose for you: When John said "I baptize you with water," what was the Baptism(s) contrasted with his?

Another: when Christ prophesied in Acts 1:4-5, and said, "Verily John baptized with water," what was the Baptism contrasted with?

Another: when Peter explained Cornelius' conversion, and said "John baptized with water, what was the Baptism contrasted with?

Another: when Paul states "John verily baptized with a baptism unto repentance," what do you think the Baptism that contrasts with that, which is relevant to believing on Jesus Christ was?


God bless.

 

TCassidy, if you do not understand that questions posed in debate meant to receive an answer is not only common, but a method used by Christ and the Apostles, then you should head over to facebook.

You do understand the difference between a question and an assertion or charge, right?

Apparently not.

Now, watch how the next question gets an answer to which I can thrust my point home:

And the point is...

...you were not immersed into God prior to your birth.

The Baptism is not a one-time event as you have said...

That is the purpose of the questions.

Now, here is the point your response to the question makes: the Baptism with the Holy Ghost, which has been clearly been shown as the time of salvation and when men are placed in God and He in them...is not a one-time event in the past.

No, only you think that...and this based on a question, not an assertion.

Here is what you said:

My statement is in response to...

I gave you Acts 1:4-5, Acts 11:13-18 (which defines the events of Acts 10, which is another mention of the Baptism with the Holy Ghost), and Acts 19.

And I have given you other Scriptures, none of which ever appear in your quotes.

How do you expect to debate Doctrine if you never discuss the actual Scriptures the Doctrine is based on?


God bless.

 

And here is the argument I presented:

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