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The Bush Secret: Skull and Bones
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TexasSky
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First - Are you sure they mean the current President? The FIRST President Bush was a member of Skull and Bones and was very proud of it. They used to make jokes about it in the Dooesbury Cartoon. The second might be, he would be a legacy after all.
It is a college fraternity. All college fraternities have their little secrets, and their bad pasts. All of them have their good points. ALL of them have their membership rituals.
It says nothing about their Christianity.
Or is it now coming out that Baptists think if you joined a fraternity or sorority in college you can't be a Christian?
It is a college fraternity. All college fraternities have their little secrets, and their bad pasts. All of them have their good points. ALL of them have their membership rituals.
It says nothing about their Christianity.
Or is it now coming out that Baptists think if you joined a fraternity or sorority in college you can't be a Christian?
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TexasSky
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Daisy,
"Lady Masons" are called by another name. I can't remember what the women are called, but I think the daughters are "Rainbow" girls.
My Great Uncle was a deacon in a Baptist Church and a high ranking Mason. So was my Grandfather. They died years ago, but I asked them when I was little why people thought Masons were not Christian. They both basically said that because anytime something is secret and ceremonial people assume it is satanic.
They both also said they joined the group because it allows them to make important business contacts, and they support the charity work of the Masons.
I asked both men, specifically, if there are any rituals that would tend to discredit Christianity. They both responded that if there were they would not be Masons.
"Lady Masons" are called by another name. I can't remember what the women are called, but I think the daughters are "Rainbow" girls.
My Great Uncle was a deacon in a Baptist Church and a high ranking Mason. So was my Grandfather. They died years ago, but I asked them when I was little why people thought Masons were not Christian. They both basically said that because anytime something is secret and ceremonial people assume it is satanic.
They both also said they joined the group because it allows them to make important business contacts, and they support the charity work of the Masons.
I asked both men, specifically, if there are any rituals that would tend to discredit Christianity. They both responded that if there were they would not be Masons.
TS, they are called, "The Order of the Eastern Star".
In Masonry, TS, there is one ritual called Monday Thursday. It occurs at easter and commorates the death of Christ. Theya are all hooded and are in a dark room with a candel. The words as they are putting out the candel are "it is not for us to say weather devine or not, but the great light has gone out". Alos, in the intiation ritual, there is a death and resurection of the intiate. Also they must take blood othes and swear to desembowl thereseves and such if they commit certain betrayals. Also, they are required to believe, but it does not have to be the Christian God.
Most Christians who have no porblems with it is because they don't take it seriously, and don't know there own faith or the masonry well enough to see the problems. Or they consider the business contacts so important they don't care about the spiritual aspects.
Research it for yourslef. You can get a book at almost any Christian book store.
In Masonry, TS, there is one ritual called Monday Thursday. It occurs at easter and commorates the death of Christ. Theya are all hooded and are in a dark room with a candel. The words as they are putting out the candel are "it is not for us to say weather devine or not, but the great light has gone out". Alos, in the intiation ritual, there is a death and resurection of the intiate. Also they must take blood othes and swear to desembowl thereseves and such if they commit certain betrayals. Also, they are required to believe, but it does not have to be the Christian God.
Most Christians who have no porblems with it is because they don't take it seriously, and don't know there own faith or the masonry well enough to see the problems. Or they consider the business contacts so important they don't care about the spiritual aspects.
Research it for yourslef. You can get a book at almost any Christian book store.
"It's Maundy Thursday"
Sorry Petrel. Same name not the same thing. I don't think there are any mainline denominations in dark hooded rooms saying, "not for us to say weather devine or not, but the great light has gone out." Do mainline denominations question the divenity of Christ, should a Christian? Did you read the whole post? Research it. Go get a book from your local christian book store.
Sorry Petrel. Same name not the same thing. I don't think there are any mainline denominations in dark hooded rooms saying, "not for us to say weather devine or not, but the great light has gone out." Do mainline denominations question the divenity of Christ, should a Christian? Did you read the whole post? Research it. Go get a book from your local christian book store.
Thanks, Daisy, for the support on the Yale fraternity. As for the Masonic Lodge and the Eastern Star, here we are dealing with a religious organization.
As has been pointed out, the Masonic Lodge has a Lord's Supper on Maundy Thursday, the day of the Last Supper when Christ gave a new commandment: John 13:34 (KJV) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod said this in 1954 in a booklet entitled Masonry in the Light of the Bible:
Although Masonry is a religious institution, it is not a Christian institution, as witness its own authorities. Chase in his DIGEST OF MASONIC LAW, p. 208 says: "Blue Masonry (the first three degrees) has nothing whatever to do with the Bible. It is not founded on the Bible. If it were, it would not be Masonry."
As has been pointed out, the Masonic Lodge has a Lord's Supper on Maundy Thursday, the day of the Last Supper when Christ gave a new commandment: John 13:34 (KJV) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all [men] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod said this in 1954 in a booklet entitled Masonry in the Light of the Bible:
Although Masonry is a religious institution, it is not a Christian institution, as witness its own authorities. Chase in his DIGEST OF MASONIC LAW, p. 208 says: "Blue Masonry (the first three degrees) has nothing whatever to do with the Bible. It is not founded on the Bible. If it were, it would not be Masonry."
"Although Masonry is a religious institution, it is not a Christian institution, as witness its own authorities. Chase in his DIGEST OF MASONIC LAW, p. 208 says: "Blue Masonry (the first three degrees) has nothing whatever to do with the Bible. It is not founded on the Bible. If it were, it would not be Masonry." "
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And yet every single masonic lodge in christian areas will have a bible on its main alter. They will preay and are required, I said required, to believe in God, members are given a Bible with the mesonic emblem on it. They are not Christian for sure, but they mix it in in a way that is blasphemus and should be eschewed by any Christian.
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And yet every single masonic lodge in christian areas will have a bible on its main alter. They will preay and are required, I said required, to believe in God, members are given a Bible with the mesonic emblem on it. They are not Christian for sure, but they mix it in in a way that is blasphemus and should be eschewed by any Christian.
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TexasSky
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Wait,
How is having a copy of God's word on the alter, celebrating the Last Supper, and honoring the death and resurrection of Christ "UnChristian?"
How is having a copy of God's word on the alter, celebrating the Last Supper, and honoring the death and resurrection of Christ "UnChristian?"
I'll use an absurd example. If I took a Bible and placed at the front of my church and then tought that we sould sacrifice our children, then you would see. They don't advocate sacrificing children, but they mix Bible and Christianity into real paganism. I wonder, did you read my post? When they do Moaundy Thursday, they actualy question the deity of Christ. That is not honoring the death and resurection of christ. A christian should never put himself into a group or meeting that actually questions the diety of christ. Or that mixes Christianity and paganism. I have a canalndar here at home with pictures from the National Mesonic temple in DC. The Bible is right there on the alter. There are snakes intertwined on the wall and a statue of the Babylonion messanger God is present also. It is fine for them to mix things however they want, but not fine for a Christian to participate.
Overall, they purport to give spiritual enlightentment that is independant and above Christ. One of the rituals states that there is no other, enlightenment needed then that which is found in Masonry.
Overall, they purport to give spiritual enlightentment that is independant and above Christ. One of the rituals states that there is no other, enlightenment needed then that which is found in Masonry.
Bunyon, you are correct in the disregard that the Masonic Lodge has for Christianity. I will quote a famous statement of the Masons about their attitude to The Holy Bible. This is as quoted by Concordia Publish House in the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod bookled that I quoted above:
Masonry holds that any candidate is admissible to the Lodge on the basis of his acceptance of some religious source book of knowledge concerning God, things spiritual, and the hereafter.
Masonry refuses to prescribe a specific revelation of Deity, holding that all religious source books are sufficient guides for faith and life. In effect, the Bible is placed on the same level with the sacred writings of all religions.
"To every Mason, whatever may be his particular religious creed, that revelation of the Deity which is recognized by his religion becomes his trestle board. Thus the trestle board of the Jewish Mason is the Old Testament; of the Christian, the Old and New; of the Mohammedan, the Koran." (Mackey, MASONIC RITUALIST, p. 59.)
Masonry holds that any candidate is admissible to the Lodge on the basis of his acceptance of some religious source book of knowledge concerning God, things spiritual, and the hereafter.
Masonry refuses to prescribe a specific revelation of Deity, holding that all religious source books are sufficient guides for faith and life. In effect, the Bible is placed on the same level with the sacred writings of all religions.
"To every Mason, whatever may be his particular religious creed, that revelation of the Deity which is recognized by his religion becomes his trestle board. Thus the trestle board of the Jewish Mason is the Old Testament; of the Christian, the Old and New; of the Mohammedan, the Koran." (Mackey, MASONIC RITUALIST, p. 59.)
I lived in New Orleans as a teenager. My step-father worked for the syndicate and was eventually sent to prison. The police took everything and we were destitute (my mother and 5 other siblings).
The Masons heard about us and got us into a low rent housing-project (better than under a bridge) at $9/Mo, helped get my mother on welfare, got us registered to receive government surplus food, got me on a school lunch and street car fare program and brought us baskets of food, clothing and toys over the holiday season while my step-father was in jail.
That's all I have to say about the Masons.
HankD
The Masons heard about us and got us into a low rent housing-project (better than under a bridge) at $9/Mo, helped get my mother on welfare, got us registered to receive government surplus food, got me on a school lunch and street car fare program and brought us baskets of food, clothing and toys over the holiday season while my step-father was in jail.
That's all I have to say about the Masons.
HankD
The Shriners are known for there charitable work. But it is also known tha they usually take in more money than other charities and but the least out. But it is beside the point, no amount of giving or good works will ever save a person or make an ungodly institution Godley. That is just the facts and the way our world and faith works. "Be gone from me for I never knew you" as it were.
Since we're on the subject of Skull & Bones, NWO, etc., check out the Meditation Room at the UN....
http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/dag/meditationroom.htm
http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/dag/meditationroom.htm
poncho
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