Featured The Christ of RCC is the Son of Lucifer

Doesn't Amy Grant sing a song based on this psalm? Also combining it with Jesus words which anyway not one word of that suggest the Bible Alone is as you say is

huh? Imagine that you can't find a verse to support your doctrinal statement. Since this is the case you must have arrived at that conclusion from an extra biblical source.

Intersting turn of phrase. So you are admiting the bible came from the church as it was inspired to write it. At least you got that right.

You still haven't found a verse to support that view. Not one thing you quote from scripture say exactly that.

Notice the one word that it is missing that the scripture does not say. I cannot find that word alone in that passage. Catholics agree you can't be saved by works without faith. But like James says faith without works is dead. And as I already showed you Catholics believe in salvation by grace through faith working in love.

That is why Catholics don't believe works of themselves saves but again where is that phrase "faith alone"? Its not there. Catholics also believe you must hold to faith in Jesus but didn't also just add to scripture? Ephesians 2 actually says

So you didn't even quote the passage right and added your own stuff to it. Man you are tearing up the bible all over the place.

We don't. You just made that up.

Basically, what you are saying here is you can't prove your point so like people who believe in conspiracy theories you make up a false conspiracy that has no basis in truth.

 

can you show JUST in the Bible where mary gets all those attributes the RCC grants unto her?

Where Sacraments are even there, much less Grace found in them?

Where salvation is something we cannot even be certain of?

that paul said that one must have sacraments+Works+faith=salvation?

Where is ANY of that found in the Bible?

 

So you can't deny that the Catholic Church holds to gospel truths so you change the subject? That's a typical tactic. One which is obvious and over used. Can't even stay on topic. I think you should stop with the vitriol and actually study the subject for yourself rather than rely on other people's bad information.

All over scriptures. Baptism? Luke 3:16; Matthew 3:13-17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21-22; John 1:29-33; Matthew 28:19-20; Mark 1:4-5; Acts 2:38; Acts 8:35-38; Acts 16:31-33; 1 Corinthians 12:13;Galatians 3:27; 1Peter 3:21.

Confirmation? John 16:13; Galatians 5:22; John 14:1-21; 2 Tim 3:16; Col 2:8; Eph 2:8-9; Gal 6:9-10; 1 Cor 6:11

Communion? 1 Cor 11:26; Luke 22:19-20; John 6:53-58; Matt 26:26-28; John 6:51; Luke 24:30; ...

Marriage? Gen 2:22-24; Prov 5:18-19; Prov 12:4; Prov 18:22; Matt 19:4-6; 1 Cor 7:1-16; Eph 5:22-23; Col 3:18-19; Hebrews 13:4-7; Mark 10:6-9;...

Reconciliation? John 20:21-23; Matt. 9:8; Matt. 9:6; Mark 2:10; Luke 5:24; John 20:22-23; Matt. 18:18; 2 Cor. 2:10; 2 Cor. 5:18; James 5:15-16; 1 John 1:9; ....

Anointing of the sick? Mark 6:13; James 5:14-15; Gal. 4:13-14; 2 Tim. 4:20;...

Holy Orders? Matt. 10:1,40; Matt. 16:19; 18:18; Luke 9:1; 10:19; Luke 10:16; Luke 22:29; John 16:14-15; John 17:18; 20:21; Acts 20:28; Eph. 2:20

What are you talking about? I am certain of my salvation save I remain in Christ. If I don't remain in Christ I can make a Shipwreck of my faith Like Peter says.

And you spout off showing your ignorance of catholic belief. Salvation is a gift It comes by Grace through faith working in love. Period. Your nonsense shows that you confuse the saving act with the sanctification process in Catholic thought. You are so stuck on your cheep grace faith that you ignore the sanctifying process of the Holy Spirit.

I can quote bible verses at you all day long and you will still hold to your extra biblical perspectives. But if you want to know about Salvation by Grace working in love check out Ephesians 2

If you don't do what God newly created you to do (Good works) what good is the gift, grace, even saving you if you remain in your sin?

 

Without catholism you would have many fat and stupid Baptist churches....come to think of it....you have that now. How many of these gathering places really follow the Great Commission for example or practice a non -judgemental form of Christianity....very few I'm afraid. So the RCC serves as competition. They do indeed follow through and feed the poor, the homeless and the destitute....generally much better than we Baptists do. They are also a bulkwork against practiced abortion's & euthanasia.

I have a theory...and that is when the RCC brgins to flounder then the Protestants and Baptists will also...so completion is a good thing.:godisgood:

 

Frankly, I think you're off your rocker.

 

You don't need to continue to insist that we listen to the video. We have. Thinkingstuff has explained the problem with what your video says is being chanted and what is actually being chanted. You ignore everything he has posted. He explained what the reference to lucifer is (reference to the paschal candle) and what it is not (calling on Satan). All the examples I gave you of the word lucifer (lower case in the latin chant) being used in ways other than references to Satan you chose to ignore
I explained that this same chant is used in many churches at the Easter Vigil besides the Holy Catholic Church. It is not 'secretly' chanted differently in the Vatican because, according to you, they can get away with it there.
You ignore everything that has been presented to you because of your hatred of Catholics. You start spewing how we aren't Christians and the tired old Babylonian Mystery Religion malarky.
Again, nobody is buying into this nonsense you are espousing about the video. There are people using this thread to take shots at the Catholic Church but not to defend your objection to the chant. The people who posted this video on Youtube interpreted the latin being chanted wrongly, period. You refuse to believe it because you want to believe Catholics call upon Satan.

 

Been at the wacky baccy much?

 

It seems a little foggy, even stenchy, on Mars Hill lately-probably more than second hand cannabis fumes.
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The stench is from our self-righteousness. As usual, we fail to realize the extent of the depravity of mankind. Our depravity is particularly evident in our religion. Ninety nine point ninety nine percent of religion is man/woman made based on good works for salvation. These religions are counterfeit.

How long does one keep a counterfeit before it becomes genuine?

All of of our righteousness is as filthy rags. Now what?

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

So why are you telling us this...we are predominently Baptists. Should you not be charging headlong at the Catholics? The Catholics you see here know all the arguements because they were Baptist's at one time...so you can convince no one here. BTW...they believe in God...they have just mucked up thing with Mary.

 

I think Brother Eliyahu is showing troubling signs. Paranoia, conspiracy theories not based in reality, unable to converse reasonably. These are troubling signs and it seems you need prayer. So I will pray for you and ask that the Lord heal you and restore you.

One final note in my conversation with you. The Babylonian empire was destroyed over 2,000 years ago by the Persians. Their Empire and influence have long sinced vanished as was prophesied by Daniel.

"May the Lord make his face to shine upon you and heal you of your infirmities while he provides you with his grace and love to sustain you through out your days" - Amen.

 

Do you deny then your RCC salvation doctrine itself? As it plainly teaches that water baptism washes away original sin, regenerates the infant into the kingdom of christ, and that by Co operating with God thru the Graces He offers to us thru the 7 sacraments, that one can be made clean enough, purged enough of sin in order to be able to have God declare them saved at the judgement...

the church denies that one EVER can know for absolute sense one is saved, for theperson may not fulfill the acts/deeds required, attain enough Sacramental gracing a srequired etc..

You do know that is NOT what paul and the other Apsotlres taught concering salvation, right?

And there are ONLY 2 ordinances referred to in the bible, and NEITHER have any kind of saving grace attached to them!

 

No.

Did you not read those bible verses I presented to you? Did not Peter say "This baptism which now saves you"? Does not Paul say we made clean by the washing? So in line with scripture the RCC is right about baptism.

Not just infants but adults too.

The Graces and the Sacraments works for our sanctification. We are to be transformed into the image of Christ.

Not true. Just read scripture.

 

So please realise form the point of view of Evangelical chrsitians such as myself, the RCC viewpoints on baptism are wrong, on salvation wrong, as you would deny it being the Cross of chrsit being the source/basis of that, but instead that God dribbles and mediates out towards us by/in the sacraments!


Why is it do hard to accept the great news that God has fully and freely forgiven, justified forever all who call upon jesus, thru faith, and have etrnl life in his name, instead of obligation to this long proces that still has no assurance of being saved in the end?

 

I am not the source of that second quote. I just want people to know that.

The problem with your supposition is that not all evangelical Christians agree with you with regards to Baptism or even Salvation. Another problem with your supposition is that you wrongly asses that the "Cross of Christ" as you put it is not "the source/basis of that" ( I believe you mean salvation here). Finally you misapprehend the nature of both Salvation in which context it is being mentioned and the function of those sacraments. Salvation in scriptures in certain contexts refers to Justification. Other parts of scriptures when speaking of salvation is in the context of Sanctification. You often confuse contexts not only in scripture but also in Catholic teaching. Again, I am not the source of your second quote. I believe that you have quoted from yourself. I did not say what you put forth. To prove that on all three counts I have mentioned I will go straight to Catholic Teaching about it straight out of the Catechism. As to the Cross not being the source/basis of our salvation

To refute your second point you don't understand the nature of the Sacraments.

What are you talking about that I don't accept the good new about being forgiven and justified by Jesus? What nonsense is that? This is what the Catholic Church teaches.

So certainly I accept the good news!

The "long process" you are referring to is my sanctification and no matter where I am at in the process at the beginning as a new born believer or as an old man with years of transforming my life into the image of Christ if I am found in him in faith short or long I will be saved. But since I am not yet at the end of my life I like Paul say

To which I say AMEN!