The Coronavirus COVID-19, is "Just Another Flu"
Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by InTheLight, Apr 24, 2020.
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
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Sad how you can't let this go.
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Covid19 Ninja [link] an easy to understand science lecture on what all the fuss is about.
After listening you will be much better informed and better able to differentiate real news from the fake stuff.
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InTheLight Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
From the article: "There is no occasion for panic--influenza or grip has a very low percentage of fatalities--not over one death out of every four hundred cases."
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Martin Marprelate Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
I saw this today. I am quite unable to say how accurate it is, but it seems to be a serious study.
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David Kent Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
The 1918 "Spanish flu" possibly began in Canada according to a report I saw a couple of years ago. In the beginning it was considered a strange form of Pneumonia, It was mainly spread by armies travelling across the oceans, THe second husband of my great grandmother was invalided out of the Canadian army in 1917 due to having pneumonia but then re-enlisted for further treatment. He never went overseas.
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One issue here is @Calminian 's agenda to discredit Trump. He is Democrat pretending support, but look at his posts!
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Covid19 is the first seal of Revelation 6.
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Earth Wind and Fire Well-Known MemberSite Supporter
Impossible!
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Why do you say impossible. It is possible for God.
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Calling COVID-19 just another flu is denial of reality.
Average deaths per day 2018-2019 from flu 161.3 - Average deaths from COVID-19 since the first case 700.9. Current deaths per day from COVID-19 over 2,500 and growing. -
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There is not one credible source that has an accurate number of individuals that contracted COVID-19. The only statistics we have are those individuals who are confirmed positive. The number of people who have/had COVID-19 and were never tested could easily be three times those confirmed positive. This happens every year with influenza. The only cases reported are confirmed cases. How many people get influenza and never get the nose swab to confirm it? When Dr. Fauci recently said that it's possible the first case of COVID-19 in the United States may have been in December or January (and even that is a guess), does not that call into question the veracity of statistics we have been given? I am not saying that the CDC is lying. I am suggesting that their statistics do not take into account unreported cases or misdiagnosis (i.e. influenza instead of COVID-19).
See this thread I started on February 15, 2020: Bad year for influenza
Did I really have the flu? My doctor never took a swab, although he did take an x-ray. Whatever upper respiratory infection I had went to the lungs and gave me pneumonia. I had a non-productive dry cough that hurt. My doctor assumed it was the flu but he was really concerned about the obvious complication of the virus which was pneumonia. Similarly, it is not COVID-19 itself that is deadly, it is the complications it may produce. What makes my experience interesting is that the clinic my doctor works at called me a few weeks ago and asked if I would considering being tested for COVID-19 antibodies once tests are available in our area. Why the call? Could it be they are trying to ascertain whether suspected cases of influenza were actually early cases of COVID-19? Probably.
The point is that we do not know how many people have actually been infected but we can make a safe hypothesis that the number is far greater than the official numbers. Why does the accuracy of the data matter? Because it drives down the percentage of COVID-19 deaths. The mortality of the virus is lessened if the actual cases are higher. That does not mean we should not take the virus seriously or that we should flip the switch tomorrow and re-open everything. It does mean that much of the fear mongering that is occurring is misplaced. -
Gold Dragon Well-Known Member
The statistic usually used to calculate death rates while a pandemic/epidemic is occuring is the CFR or case fatality rate which is by definition, the confirmed deaths divided by the confirmed cases. We always know this is higher than the IFR or infection fatality rate which is actual deaths divided by actual cases because we miss a lot more cases than we do deaths. IFR can never be truly calculated unless we test every person in a population at regular intervals (daily, weekly) which is impractical. It can be estimated with serology testing that is happening to see how many people were actually exposed.
However there are problems with doing this in the middle of the pandemic as it is hard to extrapolate data in one place and time to other places and times while they are still getting new cases. So again, we need to be testing a lot of people at regular intervals which is impractical. There are other problems with serological testing at the moment because the tests were rushed to market and not validated so there are lots of errors at his stage. The most accurate time to measure this would be after the pandemic is over but, it is important to get as much data on exposure as possible but not for the reasons you think.
But finding the number of undetected cases does help us see how infective covid19 is and how effective or ineffective our measures have been. The higher number of undetected cases actually means we need to do more to control infectivity, not less. Because that is the reason for the lockdowns, to control the infectivity of covid19 so that health systems will not get overwhelmed by the high number of cases that need hospitalization. -
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Gold Dragon Well-Known Member
We have known for a long time that the mortality rate of Covid19 in countries that do a lot of testing and don't have overwhelmed health systems to be quite low for a "plague", less than 1% of cases. It is still many times more more deadly than influenza but the main problem is how infective it is and how easily it overwhelms health systems. And we don't have good measures to reduce infectivity except for public health measures, social distancing ... and when the rate of infection gets too out of hand, lockdowns. -
Or simply God Himself stopped society dead in it's track, by making humans in direct line with God's will.
Humans would have never cooperated with each other on such a mass scale. There is peace now, but soon the tables will be turned. It is time to prepare each one's individual lives for the soon return of Jesus Christ. -
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