The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

My point is, it is not talking about the church that today calls itself the Catholic Church.

 

We are not suffering physical death for our sin, but the fall of mankind. It was part of the curse of the fall. The SECOND death is punishment for each individual's sin. Christ conquered that death. There is not a single verse that says believers still pay for their sins.

 

It has come, you just continue in blindness.

 

Where does the Bible say this?
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

 

Tell me what Church this DOES sound like then . . .

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Does that sound like YOUR sect?

 

Your saying we are paying the punishment for the sin of one man? How can that be? I thought Christ 'paid the price'? What happens after Christ pays the price for your inherited sin in Baptism, who pays that price? Is it a freebee because we said 'I believe', therefore one is free to sin?

JoeT

 

Deut. 4:2
Deut. 12:32
Rev. 22:18
Prov. 30:6

 

No, I did not say that. Strawman.

 

Again, not sure what this has to do with anything. This is not Scripture.

 

The four gospel, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are extensively about how Christ established the Kingdom, His Church and how it is the new Israel on earth, His nation.

How does a Church not make a Church? Let's see, 'yes they are part of an organized 'church'; but not their group is not the Church - how does this work? Are not the people in the group part of the church? And do they know they are not in Christ's Church.

The prophecy was that a King would be born, a Messias, a Divine King. Did He defeat death or did He defeat the Romans? Did He just get on the escalator to heaven and leave all His followers in a lurch?

JoeT

 

Please explain why did Christ die? He came 2,000 years ago; hung himself on a cross, to pay for the poster's sins so He could sin with recklessness?

JoeT

 

The church are His chosen PEOPLE. Made up of individuals.

Who here has argued that? Nobody. Another strawman distraction. Romans 6 makes clear we are not to continue in sin so grace can continue to be shown. But there is also NO verse that says Christians must still pay for their sins.

 

The Church is also the House of God His Kingdom, in Greek kyriakon, the House of God.

So, what do you do with 1 John 1:10 if we can't sin after Baptism and what do we do with 1 John 2:4 if we are sinners, can you confess your sins to a priest? Oh wait, you don't have sacramental priests. What then?

JoeT

 

Where are you getting this from?

Yes, to our high priest Jesus Christ.

 

No such biblical teaching of a sacramental priest.

 

Our first death isn't being born because we are born without justice . . . which is spiritual death. However our first death is Baptism, "For we are buried together with him by baptism into death; that as Christ is risen from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we also may walk in newness of life." [Romans 6:4] The second death is for the unbelievers and those with grave sins

And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire. . .But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." [Apocalypse 20:14-15; 21:8]. I thought Jesus Christ paid for their sins?

JoeT

 

Then what do we need Baptism for?

JoeT

 

Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm done wasting my time with you if you can't even understand or honestly discuss BASIC concepts.

 

Baptism is the outward sign of our regeneration. This is why it is not for infants as your false church teaches.