The earth is the center of creation!

Nope -- and what you 'believe' or 'would believe' has nothing to do with it! The Bible uses terminology that expresses what is seen from earth. However, if you read the links, you will also find that the math -- as done from earth -- shows that the geocentric model is not correct. That does not change the way we view things, however! Or the way they have been viewed for a long time.

I don't know how much more clearly I can explain it. I do suggest you read the links, though.

 

And there is no reason for you to ignore that people refer to things the way they see them. A number of people have used biblical terminology to support geocentrism, but it only supports it as much as our weathermen do today when they tell us what time the sun rises and sets!

 

Oh Glory! What I am trying to say is that Scripture does not say one thing scientifically about it! It was science that claimed geocentricity and then science that claimed heliocentricity. People just used the Bible to try to support what they thought. But the Bible is not saying anything about it!

The Bible simply describes the way the sun and moon look via the earth. Taking appearances as literal reality (in reading it or otherwise) is known to lead to error. The Bible makes no pretense of presenting the scientific relationship between the earth and the sun. If you want to read it that way, fine, but it was science which first said one thing and then said another. The Bible just talks about how it is seen. If you are going to credit (and rightfully so) science with heliocentricity, then you will also have to blame science (and rightly so) for geocentricity.

Science changes with added data -- hopefully!

Meanwhile, the sun still rises and sets.

 

But Martin Luther asserted that scripture required that the Earth not move. In fact, it says the Earth doesn't move.

But it does.

It's only a problem for those who put a literal interpretation on it.

 

hey, maybe the earth IS the unmovable center of the universe. is it truly impossible, or does it just make the necessary math and physics harder?

 

I gave 18 + examples (18 links, in which some links had up to 5 separate examples) and you pick two, neither one you really give much of a reason as to why they "don't count".

 

Galatian, get over your hangup with Luther. He did not write the Bible. He did, contrary to the Roman Catholic church, however, decide to pay closer attention to it!

Meatros, you stay with what you think. Don't worry about what was really going on. But the next time you describe something by its appearance to you, be very careful -- someone might thing you mean it literally....

 

No, but he did exercise editorial rights, in trimming to his liking. Well, almost. He never persuaded his followers that James had to go, too.

Perhaps that wasn't a good thing, if that led him to think that the Bible says the Earth doesn't move in a literal sense.

You do agree that the Earth moves, do you not?

 

Actually Helen, the evidence is against you on this as well (as with evolution); I *used* to be a YEC. I used to be a rather loud one to.

Am I any longer? No. So, once again, you are wrong Helen.

 

LOL -- am not wrong because you are no longer YEC! You were YEC for the wrong reasons. You are not evolutionist for the wrong reasons.

Hopefully, with time, you'll get to some real reasons. Either way...

 

travelsong, i'm a fundamentalist with a capital f, and i grant your point.

 

Pretending you know me?

 

...only from your posts... I'm responding to what you are saying and what that indicates about your knowledge, maturity, and character. If what you are presenting is not a good picture of you, please change your presentation.

 

Click to view: Pale Blue Dot Photo

Upon seeing a photo of the Earth from the Voyager spacecraft, as a few tiny pixels in a vast sea of space, Dr. Carl Sagan made an observation that gives us much to think about:

Pale Blue Dot Photo

 

Yes, and of all the billions of fish alive in the seas and lakes and ponds and aquariums, there are eight silly little ones of almost no dollar value whatever which I care for very much because they belong to us.

Amazing, isn't it?

 

ah, good ol' roger. let's all pray for his salvation.

set the controls for the heart of the son.....

 

Sure you are Helen. You know, the only people I see you chastising are the evolutionists on this board. I haven't seen you *once* chastise the people who are actually *lieing* about other members (among other things). So if it makes you feel all good inside for picking at my frustration, then I say good for you, I hope you enjoy it.

Keep in mind that you are picking the plank out of my eyes while avoiding your own, or do you think you are being entirely mature on this board?