"Who would have pleasure in the death of the wicked?"
The greater wicked.
"But God would not be good if he didn't kill sinners and send them to hell. "
So now you deny the sovereignty of God? God is forced to do something he does not want to do?
Killing sinners and sending them to hell is not a requisite of Good, it is however greatly encouraged by Evil.
Calvinist Jesus would have certainly stoned the woman caught in adultery.
Satan favors your version of God, the worst the news, the less mercy found, the better. The reliance of making others suffer, sadism, thats the meat and potatoes of the devil.
The Effects Of Calvinism On Scripture
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by MB, Dec 10, 2019.
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forgiveness.
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I have seen families forgive a murderer, but applaud the just sentencing.
You see, MB, justice is an act of love. Injustice is an act of evil. You are glorying in injustice.
When John wrote: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins," he was writing to those who were already redeemed, not to unredeemed rebels.
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I've been in more court rooms than I ever wanted to be praying for defendants to get mercy.
God does not forgive for anything but Love and few there be that you can honestly say are really saved.
I've also seen an innocent man sent to prison and was there 16 years for a crime he didn't commit I call this injustice.
Stop comparing God to human judges they do not compare.
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Particular Well-Known MemberMB said: ↑NOT true.Not one of us deserve forgiveness
I've been in more court rooms than I ever wanted to be praying for defendants to get mercy.
God does not forgive for anything but Love and few there be that you can honestly say are really saved.
I've also seen an innocent man sent to prison and was there 16 years for a crime he didn't commit I call this injustice.
Stop comparing God to human judges they do not compare.
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Particular said: ↑Does God throw innocent men in prison?Click to expand...
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Particular Well-Known MemberMB said: ↑This is why you can't compare God with men. God is the Judge Jesus is the advocate if you have Jesus well enough said Guilty or not you win because of forgiveness.
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Particular said: ↑You didn't answer my question.
Does God throw innocent men in prison?Click to expand...
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Particular Well-Known MemberMB said: ↑No Man does that.
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This means that God is loving when he justly sends lawbreakers to hell, because God never sends an innocent person to prison.
It would be unloving and unjust if a lawbreaker didn't have to pay the required penalty that the law demanded. The judge who ignored the requirements of the law would be an unjust judge and therefore an unloving judge.
So, let's look at John 3:16 in that light.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
God gave his Son as the payment for sin and whoever has faith to believe he atoned for their sins will not be sentenced to hell, but instead will have eternal life because...God lovec the world. -
Particular said: ↑Correct.
This means that God is loving when he justly sends lawbreakers to hell, because God never sends an innocent person to prison.
It would be unloving and unjust if a lawbreaker didn't have to pay the required penalty that the law demanded. The judge who ignored the requirements of the law would be an unjust judge and therefore an unloving judge.
So, let's look at John 3:16 in that light.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
God gave his Son as the payment for sin and whoever has faith to believe he atoned for their sins will not be sentenced to hell, but instead will have eternal life because...God lovec the world.Click to expand...
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Particular said: ↑Correct.
This means that God is loving when he justly sends lawbreakers to hell, because God never sends an innocent person to prison.
It would be unloving and unjust if a lawbreaker didn't have to pay the required penalty that the law demanded. The judge who ignored the requirements of the law would be an unjust judge and therefore an unloving judge.
So, let's look at John 3:16 in that light.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
God gave his Son as the payment for sin and whoever has faith to believe he atoned for their sins will not be sentenced to hell, but instead will have eternal life because...God lovec the world.Click to expand...
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Particular said: ↑Utilyan, when a criminal is found guilty and the judge sentences them according to the guidelines of the law, is that judge doing good or doing evil?
Would a judge that refuses to sentence a criminal, but instead lets them free with no consequence for breaking the law be a good and loving judge?Click to expand...
The Judge is doing EVIL.
"Would a judge that refuses to sentence a criminal, but instead lets them free with no consequence for breaking the law be a good and loving judge?"
Like when a Criminal was found being a JEW? He might even be a HERO.
Your sense of justice is trash. Soley based on the retribution and distribution of suffering.
The Character you hold of God is just as evil as randomly strapping a bomb to a little girl, setting it off to kill people and then blaming the girl for it. No difference what-so-ever
If some omnipotent Demon or Alien ever landed on earth.......you are the first guy we will all look at to sell us out.
All that demon or alien has to do is get a Jesus name tag.
God is constantly tells you what is the right thing. The right thing isn't the EASY thing. You have to be sincere to your good conscience.
You prob always going to have a selfish perspective until its someone you care about on the chopping block.
Your ultimate opposition is someone who loves everyone wants no one to suffer. I don't even have to put a Jesus name tag on him. He has the highest love. Endless mercy. He absolutely knows no fear. He doesn't need POWER to be the most powerful, He doesn't need a crown to make him king. What you got is a playground joke, a bully child's perspective of power. -
utilyan said: ↑Like when the criminal was found being a JEW and is sentenced to death as his NAZI master demands?
The Judge is doing EVIL.
"Would a judge that refuses to sentence a criminal, but instead lets them free with no consequence for breaking the law be a good and loving judge?"
Like when a Criminal was found being a JEW? He might even be a HERO.
Your sense of justice is trash. Soley based on the retribution and distribution of suffering.
The Character you hold of God is just as evil as randomly strapping a bomb to a little girl, setting it off to kill people and then blaming the girl for it. No difference what-so-ever
If some omnipotent Demon or Alien ever landed on earth.......you are the first guy we will all look at to sell us out.
All that demon or alien has to do is get a Jesus name tag.
God is constantly tells you what is the right thing. The right thing isn't the EASY thing. You have to be sincere to your good conscience.
You prob always going to have a selfish perspective until its someone you care about on the chopping block.
Your ultimate opposition is someone who loves everyone wants no one to suffer. I don't even have to put a Jesus name tag on him. He has the highest love. Endless mercy. He absolutely knows no fear. He doesn't need POWER to be the most powerful, He doesn't need a crown to make him king. What you got is a playground joke, a bully child's perspective of power.Click to expand... -
Particular Well-Known MemberMB said: ↑That's the bible story..
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Particular said: ↑That's the theology you despise and call Calvinism.Click to expand...
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Calvinism for all intents and purposes is not supported by scripture None of it's tulip is found in scripture. this makes it a religion of man not God.
There is no whosoever believes in Calvinism Only determinism.
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Particular Well-Known Memberutilyan said: ↑Like when the criminal was found being a JEW and is sentenced to death as his NAZI master demands?
The Judge is doing EVIL.Click to expand...
Particular wrote:
"Would a judge that refuses to sentence a criminal, but instead lets them free with no consequence for breaking the law be a good and loving judge?"Click to expand...Like when a Criminal was found being a JEW? He might even be a HERO.
Your sense of justice is trash. Soley based on the retribution and distribution of suffering.Click to expand...
It seems you despise justice, utilyan. God judges based on his moral law. He judges justly, yet you say he judges without merit. Your hatred of God is evident.
The Character you hold of God is just as evil as randomly strapping a bomb to a little girl, setting it off to kill people and then blaming the girl for it. No difference what-so-everClick to expand...
If some omnipotent Demon or Alien ever landed on earth.......you are the first guy we will all look at to sell us out.Click to expand...
All that demon or alien has to do is get a Jesus name tag.Click to expand...
God is constantly tells you what is the right thing. The right thing isn't the EASY thing. You have to be sincere to your good conscience.Click to expand...
You prob always going to have a selfish perspective until its someone you care about on the chopping block.Click to expand...
Your ultimate opposition is someone who loves everyone wants no one to suffer. I don't even have to put a Jesus name tag on him. He has the highest love. Endless mercy. He absolutely knows no fear. He doesn't need POWER to be the most powerful, He doesn't need a crown to make him king.Click to expand...
The Jesus of the Bible spoke more about hell than anyone else in scripture. He warned people of their peril and need for repentance. He told people what the outcome is if they refused to repent and believe. He is a just and loving judge and King. Do you know this Jesus, utilyan, or do you only know the Jesus you made up in your head?
What you got is a playground joke, a bully child's perspective of power.Click to expand...
Revelation 21:5-8 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Utilyan, you scream against God, not me. Everyone who reads what you wrote and what you have claimed here can see your heart and I pray they will pray for you and ask God to help you with the anger you have burning in your heart.
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