You are interupting an ongoing discussion Scott, Post your question on a new topic let's see if we can arrive at agreement! </font>[/QUOTE]I asked because it is pertinent to this thread.
The Elect, Need a clear definition of....
Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Wes Outwest, May 6, 2005.
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Then RESTATE your question!
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You see, if God gives you something that he does not give me, then you do indeed have something to boast about, and knowing what I know about natural man, You too would be one to do the boasting. Maybe not obnoxious boasting, but boasting just the same.
I have no difficulty with God's grace whatever, I only have difficulty with your understanding of it. </font>[/QUOTE]Wes don't you ever get tired of being wrong Outwest? -
Well the east coast has always accused the west coast of being wrong about something. But that doesn't explain the growth of California to 33 Million people, 60% of which is tranplanted from the eastern 1/4th of the US!
I am, by the way, a fifth generation Californian! And Yes I did live for 2 years in the military in South Carolina! Didn't find much there to make me want to stay. -
If one person chooses "good" and another chooses "bad" then the one who chose good deserves merit for being wiser, more intelligent, more discerning, etc, etc, right?
If you say this is not true then please answer- why does one choose correctly? Who gets the credit for that choice?
It is your contention as best as I understand it that both the receipt and continuance of salvation is dependent on the free will choice of the man, right? If so then this is by definition salvation by merit. -
NO, God does not GIVE FAITH to man, he requires that man have it as the result of using the means provided for receiving the word of God, then forming faith in that Word that by definition is faith in the Author of that Word.
Faith in God is a condition of the human spirit that begins with "Belief"! Belief is a condition that begins with "Believe"! Believe may be either an active or passive human decision. One can believe without ever making a conscious decision. I would call that acceptance, which is an "either/or" or "both" situation.
Nevertheless all of this is dependent upon knowledge of that which is related to God. None of it is based on that which has no valid explanation. God said, "For lack of knowledge my people perish!" -
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Wes
You keep posting the words: God said, "For lack of knowledge my people perish!"
Two questions:
1. Could you please give a reference for this?
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1. Here it is
2. read it you'll see.
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:D </font>[/QUOTE]I too am thankful in all things...including transfer to the West where I am at home. -
You keep posting the words: God said, "For lack of knowledge my people perish!"
Two questions:
1. Could you please give a reference for this?
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Hosea 4:6
"My people perish for want of knowledge."
"For lack of knowledge my people perish!"
Do you not agree that these two phrases mean exactly the same thing?
Let me add some empasis from Hosea. -
Nothing you say above, in fact nothing you have ever said has any relevance to the Biblical truth of the doctrine of election. -
That's perhaps because the Doctrine of Election is not Biblical!
In fact, what does it mean when God says through Hosea "Come, let us return to Yahweh (God, for those who don't know). He has rent us and he will heal us, he has struck us and he will bind up our wounds"? What about the resurrection in verse 2?
And verse 6 "For faithful love is what pleases me, not sacrifice; Knowledge of God, not burnt offerings" Does "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God", not fit with verse 6?
It is not some mysterious regeneration, or "prevenient Grace" that saves us, it is indeed knowledge of God that brings us faith through which we are saved!
OldRegular,
The fact that you cannot see thruth and relavence in what I've posted, indicates just how blind you are to the truth! -
Like you I once was blind but now I see. Hopefully one day you will come to the knowledge of the truth. However, this cannot happen as long as you take pride in your superior knowledge. You claim this knowledge stimulated you by strength of your will, to dredge up out of that which Scripture states is spiritually dead, the human attribute of Saving Faith. :D -
The human attribute of FAITH in GOD is what God sees in humans when saving humans!
Likewise the lack of human faith in God causes God to discard those who have no faith.
There has never been a single human saved that lacks human faith in God! -
Faith in God is given to man after man has been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. "The human attribute of FAITH in GOD" is non existent. -
Well, I guess that proves that you do not know everything!
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