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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Mar 7, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    I agree with you that those such as a Dr Grudem would be Christians, its just this eternal subordination viewpoint is not really what scriptures teach concerning the trinity!
     
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    he was always God, as Jesus was eternal in his deity, but His sinless humanity cam about via Virgin Birth in Mary 2000 years ago!
     
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    prophet Micah said that Messiah origins fro everlasting" Father of eternity"
     
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    The good news would be that regardless on how one views this as being scripture or not, the Deity of Jesus is well established!
     
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    Either Jesus as the Son or God would be acceptable as a translation!
     
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    Psalm 8 also tied Jesus, as did Daniel, into being the Son of Man, His claim to being Deity while on Earth!
     
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    yet even in Genesis there were hints as to God being trinity!
     
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    Elohim - plural. Judaism says plurality of majesty.
     
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    We have the Holy Spirit in the beginning, we have the Lord here with Abraham on earth, while the Lord was also in heaven!
     
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    You are making a false accusation. I have not denied any Biblical truth here. At issue is to show the the second Person of the trinity was the Son of God prior to His incarnation. This has not been done.

    Again, my oposition is John 1:18 with the reading "the unique Son" shows all the OT appearances was as the Son.
     
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    There were not two of the LORD, only always the one. See John 3:13 regarding the incarnate Son as the Son of man. Both places.
     
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    God the Son was on earth talking to Abraham, while the Father was still in Heaven!
     
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    I did not charge you with making a "straw man argument." You did.
    I have shown the biblical truth that the Second Person of the Trinity was referred to in Psalm 45:6-7 as the Son. You have denied this obvious biblical truth.

    Did you say that the "Angel of the Lord" was not the Second Person of the Trinity? No you did not answer the question.
     
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    The Angel of the lord was the preincarnate Christ!
     
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    Folks, Y1 has actually presented a biblical truth. Except he did not capitalize "lord."

    The angel of the LORD appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of [fn]a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed.
     
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    He also announced Himself to Samson parents, Gideon, and to Joshua also!
     
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    But not yet as the incarnation to be the Son.
     
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    He eternal existed as that!
     
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    So you think. You did not show Pslams 45:6-7 did not refer to be a prophecy regarding the post incarnastion of the Son on His throne.
     
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    I answered that assertion in post #49. Rather than asking me to prove your addition to scripture is not true, why not ask yourself to prove your addition is true.
     
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