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Ummmm, I DO believe in God's words - so I'm not sure what you're getting at..

That's because YOU don't understand what the Church is.
Allow me to educate you . . .

- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6). He promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
- Jesus told the leaders of His Church that WHATEVER they bound or loosed on earth would ALSO be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).
- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

Enlighten me as to HOW I'm not believing in God's words . . .

Yes - please address that post.
Everybody else had been afraid to . . .

 

And that "Mystery Babylon" manure comes from Alexangder Hislop's anti-Catholic book, "The Two Babylons" - which has been debunked from here to Christmas.
Too bad nobody gave Jack Chick the memo because that's where you also get the "Semiramis/Nimrod" nonsense.

Do your homework, dude.
This is embarrassing . . .

 

And nobody said she was - so why don't you try being honest?

 

I'm getting at the fact that you are dismissing Romans 3:23, Ecclesiastes 7:21 and several others.
Mary is not Jesus, therefore Mary was a sinner, just like all men except for the Son of God.

Sure I do...
It's everyone who is saved.

It is not an institution with its headquarters in Rome.
Nor is it an institution with its headquarters in Istanbul / Constantinople / Byzantium.

Neither does it have its headquarters in Moscow.

 

I'm not "dismissing" anything.
I already addressed this in great detail back in post #45.

If you're not going to read my responses - just say so. But don't pretend that I didn't already address these verses head-on.

No - the Bible is quite specific about what the Church is - and I laid out the Scriptural definition in my last post. It is NOT the generalized definition that YOU give it - it is very specific.
Here it is again for your edification . . .

- The Church is the Body of Christ and He is the Head (1 Cor. 12:12-31, Eph. 4:3-6, Col. 1:8).
- Jesus is Truth itself (John 14:6). He promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide her to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
- Jesus told the leaders of His Church that WHATEVER they bound or loosed on earth would ALSO be bound and loosed in Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 20:21-23).
- The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- The Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
- It is the light of the world - a city on a hill that cannot be hidden (Matt. 5:14).
- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

The Church is NOT a disjointed gaggle of tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering sects that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL claim to have been "led" to this confusion by the Holy Spirit.
Christ's Church is ONE (John 17:20-23) - not tens of thousands of splinters . . .

 

Based on what?

OK.
So, I went through the Scriptures that you posted.

None of them declares that Mary was sinless.
To me, you are making a case based on word association and nothing more.
In some circles, it's called, "hyperbole".

Here is the passage in the Douai-Rheims:
" And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."

The Greek word used is "χαριτόω" which, literally translated means, "indue with special honor, make accepted, be highly favored."
It is the exact same word as that found in Ephesians 1:6:

" Unto the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath graced us in his beloved son."

Therefore, like Mary, each and every believer is also "graced" or "highly favored" by God in the same way as she was.

It is not a name.
It is a declaration of being in favor with God.

Just as Ephesians 1:6 states that all believers are..."graced" ( made accepted ) in His beloved Son.

The Angel said, "... Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."
That is what the Douai-Rheims says.

"Highly favored" is how some other translations put it.
That is what the Greek word means.

 

It is definitely not found at the Vatican.
it is a spiritual entity, not a physical one.

Every single believer in the world is "the church".

Not the Vatican, and not the Roman Catholic Church.
Not the Greek Orthodox Church, and not the Russian Orthodox Church.

Not the United Methodist Church, and not the Reformed Church in America.
Not the Anglican Church, and not the Lutheran Church.

Every single Holy Spirit -indwelt believer is the church.

 

I've answered your quotes by adding my own in green within the body of your text.
As I see it, you're stretching this further than it can be sustained.

Mary and the Ark of the Covenant are not the same, and do not represent the same thing.
The Ark is a symbol of the Covenant between God and men.
The Ark represents Jesus Christ.

In fact, there are many types of Christ in the Old Testament.
There are no types of Mary, a sinner that declared God as her Saviour.

Sadly, it seems that your focus is more on Mary...
Mine is on Jesus, my Saviour.

He is the only one worthy of veneration and worship.

 

Now you're proving that you don't know what you're talking about.

The Douay-Rheims was translated from the Latin Vulgate and NOT the original Greek.
Therefore - your ENTIRE argument against Mary's title of "Kecharitomene" goes right down the drain . . .

The Greek of Luke 1:28 is κεχαριτωμένη (Kecharitomene). Whereas the ROOT word is χηαριτοο (Charitoo) - the word itself is "Kecharitomene".

As I stated before - this word is used only ONCE in ALL of Scripture - and it indicates a completed action with a permanent result. It translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”

Jerome translated this title as “Gratia plena” (full of grace). He could HARDLY write, “Hail, completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace, which is a perfect passive participle, indicating a completed action with a PERMANENT result.”

“Full of grace” was simply the most concise way of explaining the above definition. He probably didn’t think that it would be an issue. Apparently - he didn't envision the rebellion and splintering that was to come 1100 years later . . .

 

No - Jesus is what the ARK carried.
Just as the original Ark carried the symbols of God's power - the New Ark carried GOD Himself.

The Ark is the vessel. Jesus is NOT the vessel.
He is the fulfillment of the Covenant promises - the New Covenant.

 

We're done, sir.

You can believe what you wish.
I refuse to submit to an institution created by men, and instead submit to the Lord of all and His words alone.
I am part of the church that the Lord has created here:

" but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that] of Abel." ( Hebrews 12:22-24 ).


I will not worship Mary, I will not venerate her, and I will never believe that she was anything but a sinner, exactly as I am.
She was found in the grace and mercy of God, exactly as I am.
She is my sister in the Lord, and nothing more.

I wish you well, and may He be pleased to reveal Himself to you through His word.

 

That's NOT what the Bible says.

The Bible - as I already showed you, tells us that Christ's Church is a VISIBLE united entity (Matt. 5:14). It is NOT an invisible gaggle of disjointed splinter groups.

 

This is why I said that YOU don't know what the Church is.
It is NOT created by men. It was instituted by Christ Himself (Matt. 16:18).

Your refusal to submit to His Church is refusal to submit to HIM and the ONE who sent Him (Luke 10:16).
Good luck with that . . .

 

This is going to seem a bit off topic but...take the idea of personal sin as it applies to a man with a profound intellectual disability. Maybe we would agree in saying that such a man has need of the saviour. But, has he personally committed grave sins? It seems that at least some people are preserved from commiting grave sins, no? So what if the saviour preserves, by grace, one person from committing grave sins for some (Christological) reason. What's the big deal? The Pauline sky isn't about to fall.

 

True, as it is written:

Psa 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, (see also John 5:39; Hebrews 10:7)
Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.​

Thus, since the Law of the Father was in the heart of the Son, the Son is the Ark, born forth amongst men, which shows the Glory of God the Father, upon which rests the Holy Spirit.

Scriptural Mary (not Roman Catholicisms 'Mary') is simply the rickety cart (type), which bare the Ark (Jesus, as a child) for a brief time (2 Samuel 6:3). More than this, all who choose may bare this Ark (Jesus, by the Holy Ghost, through the word written) in their heart, even today (1 Kings 8), as Kings/priests of God; for with Jesus, comes the Law (Ten Commandments, the New Covenant in Jesus' blood written upon our heart).

You can see more of this here:

Sea of Glass - http://sdamaranathachurch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Sea-of-Glass.pptx

Deadicated to God - http://sdamaranathachurch.org/wp-co...eadicated-To-God-1-Kings-8-The-7th-Month.pptx

 

Good question. Wonder what the answer will be.

 

I HAVE - likely a LOT more than YOU have. I have several encyclopediae & other unbiased works of history in fronta me, and I READ them, along with eleven English Bible versions, old & new. I have read the history of the "queena hevvin" myth.

Now, please show us a Scriptural reference to any 'queen of heaven' besides the idolatrous one besides in Jeremiah 7 & 44.

And also show us some Scripture saying Mary was anything but a young adult Jewish maiden of ordinary circumstances before she was visited by Gabriel, or any Scripture depicting her conception/birth being anything but ordinary.

 

HIS Church is NOT the man-made RCC !

And still, the only Immaculate Conception we see in Scripture is that of Jesus Himself !