One thing I hate about Calvinism is that it limits God's power. They say God is not able to predestinate without first limiting the freewill of man. I say God is able to predestinate and do it through the freewill of man.
The Freewillers Shell Game part 1.
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Jarthur001, Nov 1, 2006.
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eido means to know 1st hand...or "see"
Ginosko is a one on one...getting to know...or knowing intimately. As I said in the OP..this gives the right meaning, in that it means to know in a personal way. It is more then just yada...and even more then eido. It is very personal. -
2nd...You can say anything you wish. But I will go with the Bible. -
Ginosko=sexual intercourse
- Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman
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pro...ginosko
pro = before
ginosko = to become acquainted with having a relationship with....or...it could also mean in sexual ways. But it does not have to mean this the last idea
All I have claimed is a close relationship as I posted in the OP. The picture is clear in the SONG...which I agree with.
Foreknowing is about God loving us not just knowing about what we will do.
Some on here sadly have only thought of love in one way. -
How do you Pro sexual intercourse? Help!! I am 67 did I miss something?
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Now we can get back to the English. (I foreknew it was okay to stick with the English.) -
But it is not to be used as ...
yada ..... "was aware"
eido ...." know 1st hand, or see"
God did not just know about what we would do and elect based on this...which is what is said by freewillers. But God knew us intimately and predestinate us, because ...and get this...>>>>He choose us. God did it. Not us.
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I have just finished listening to Dr. Jerry Vines preach a very good sermon on the issue concerning Calvinism’s.
I would have to say He and I believe exactly alike. I could not find one single areas of his delivery I would change.
The message is a pod cast and was delivered on Oct. 8 2006 at First Baptist Church Woodstock - here is the web address should you desire to check it out:
http://www.fbcw.org/images/topbar.jpg
Actually I don't think I have heard such a clear fare presentation of this issue as it is given by Dr. Vines.
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It must be used in other words as ginosko, is what he is saying.
ginosko the same one found in Matt…."And knew her not
His foreknowledge (to know as used with Mary) of a person is limited to those who are actually saved and glorified.
Which is most surely in a "sexual way". Alway remember "context" Context is everything you know.
I will leave you alone now, that we got that straightened out. -
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So far we have really only talked about the meaning of the word. This took a few pages, but the meaning is clear.
Now how about the logic of the freewill view? I'll repost and see if you have any ideas how this could work.
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I should have said to most it is clear.
Would you like to disagree with this...?
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http://www.fbcw.org/media/mediacenter/index_demand-2.php?detail&id=195
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Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew(yada) Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
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Apparently yada was used in the same sense in Gen 4:1 when Adam "knew Eve, as was ginosko used in Matt when Joseph "knew" ginosko Mary. It seems the Hebrews were not really strict in using their words as having the same meaning. I think anyone reading these two passages would certainly agree that both yada and ginosko were used as "knew" in the sense of sexual with Eve as with Adam and Joseph as with Mary for they both "concieved from this "knew" and brought forth sons, even though "knew" in Gen was "yada" and "knew in Matt was "ginosko" but both produced the same results, "conception". Eveything is "context".
Now, Proginosko can and does equal "foreknow" or "foreknowledge", which should of been used in the first place and there would of been no confusion as I see it.
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