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The Generation of Jesus Christ - What It Means

Anthony Pritchard

Active Member
That was not my point. My point is that all the OT prophecies were not fulfilled at the first coming of Jesus Christ. I quoted Jesus saying in Luke 24 that his purpose for coning is to fulfill all (with the emphasis on all) those OT prophecies and a great number of them concerned fulfilling the Abrahamic Covenant, the Davidic covenant and the Palestinian (land) covenant. De 30. According to how I interpret these scriptures concerning this generation, which is literally, God is working out the plans for his rule over the earth through this generation cycle of the Jewish nation.

Ga 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Time is a most important element when discerning truth.

What we call the NT scriptures has much in them about the prophecies of the OT scriptures and Jesus ruling of earth but the OT scriptures has nothing spoken plainly about the church of Jesus Christ. These truths are new revelations and new and separate truths concerning an age that is missing from the OT, an age we call the church age and the Bible calls the dispensation of the grace of God. The church and their particular promises are call the "mysteries of God" and require revelation from God to understand them. The natural man cannot understand them we are told in 1 Corinthians 2. 13-14. Because of their stubborn rejection of their King, Jesus Christ, concerning his kingdom, he has graciously received the few believers in his person, the son of God, on a one on one "family" basis rather than a national basis, along with every gentile on the planet. This would in no way cancel any one of his unconditional covenants he has made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and David. All those prophecies that lack fulfillment will be fulfilled exactly as they are given.

The death of the generation charged to receive the kingdom of God by receiving Jesus Christ took place in the 12th chapter of Matthew when the rulers on behalf of the nation committed the unpardonable sin. They, would die before the kingdom as those who refused to go into the rest of God under Moses, (see He 3). The Hebrews in Asia Minor, the strangers and pilgrims, would have secured the kingdom except for the interference of the Judaizers who persuaded them to return to the law of Moses as the means of their salvation. The nation lost it's identity with a national dispersion., the temple destroyed, and the people of God, Israel, were as gentiles and will be until the church is removed by the gathering of the church into heaven, a mystery not understood by a strict intellectual approach to the scriptures.

God interrupted his generation with death when time does not pass until he brings it back to life, first physically and then spiritually.


Ps 115:15 Ye are blessed of the Lord which made heaven and earth.
16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
17 The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
18 But we will bless the Lord from this time forth and for evermore. Praise the Lord.
Brother, the entire argument depends on Matthew 1:1 referring to a 70‑year time span, but the word there is not genea, the word for a generation of people. It is genesis, the word for origin, lineage, or genealogy. Matthew is introducing the ancestry of Christ, not a prophetic window. Once that is clear, the idea of a 70‑year “generation of Jesus Christ” being under scrutiny in the New Testament cannot be sustained. Scripture uses the word generation in several different ways, but Matthew 1:1 is not about a time period at all. It is simply the record of His lineage.
 

JD731

Well-Known Member
Brother, the entire argument depends on Matthew 1:1 referring to a 70‑year time span, but the word there is not genea, the word for a generation of people. It is genesis, the word for origin, lineage, or genealogy. Matthew is introducing the ancestry of Christ, not a prophetic window. Once that is clear, the idea of a 70‑year “generation of Jesus Christ” being under scrutiny in the New Testament cannot be sustained. Scripture uses the word generation in several different ways, but Matthew 1:1 is not about a time period at all. It is simply the record of His lineage.
Noted. Thanks.
 

JD731

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Ok, does your Bible say “generation” or “genealogy”? Knowing context determines meaning, it seems clear the context of Matthew 1 is a genealogy, or do you disagree?

Peace to you
The book of Matthew is the book of the King. It has for it's emphasis to present Jesus as having the right credentials to be the Messiah of Israel, which includes being a son of Abraham and a son of David. Matthew makes this a matter of written record of an apostle in 65 AD about the same time Israel was getting four warnings in a letter to the Hebrews not to fall away and the penalty for that generation if they do. (it would be impossible to renew them again to repentance)

So, you can see this as a genealogical record because one can learn that in a classroom about Matthew 1 but as far as having a spiritual quality that relates to a generation, if there is one, it is obvious you have missed it. There are types and similitudes in the scriptures. One must keep that in mind.

Ho 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
 
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JD731

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The number 40 is the number in the scriptures for "probation." This would be easy to prove if I wanted to give examples from the many places it is used that way, I am not going to here but I am going to note an instance in our context where there is a connection to this generation and it will be a total of the same 70 years that Jesus Christ was a prophet in Israel It is in parabolic form and recorded by Luke near the end of the ministry of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion.

Luke:13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree (metaphor for nation of Israel) planted in his vineyard (Judah); and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years (time of ministry of Jesus) I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
(a request for probation)
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Jesus was rejected in 30 AD . Forty years later after the biblical probation time it, the fig tree, was removed by the Romans in AD 70. I am sure if Israel would have repented all the remainder of the OT prophecies concerning Jesus Christ would have been fulfilled which would have included his sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem.

This generation did not repent. It perished under the Romans.
 
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Anthony Pritchard

Active Member
The number 40 is the number in the scriptures for "probation." This would be easy to prove if I wanted to give examples from the many places it is used that way, I am not going to here but I am going to note an instance in our context where there is a connection to this generation and it will be a total of the same 70 years that Jesus Christ was a prophet in Israel It is in parabolic form and recorded by Luke near the end of the ministry of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion.

Luke:13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree (metaphor for nation of Israel) planted in his vineyard (Judah); and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years (time of ministry of Jesus) I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
(a request for probation)
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

Jesus was rejected in 30 AD . Forty years later after the biblical probation time it, the fig tree, was removed by the Romans in AD 70. I am sure if Israel would have repented all the remainder of the OT prophecies concerning Jesus Christ would have been fulfilled which would have included his sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem.

This generation did not repent. It perished under the Romans.
Brother, the number 40 appears often in Scripture, but the Bible never defines it as a prophetic law or a measure of a generation. Luke 13 is a parable about Israel’s need to repent during Jesus’ ministry, not a coded timeline leading to AD 70. The New Testament never defines “this generation” as 70 years, and Psalm 90:10 is about the normal span of human life, not prophecy. When we treat parables as countdown clocks and patterns as doctrines, we end up building systems the text itself does not support.
 

canadyjd

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So, you can see this as a genealogical record because one can learn that in a classroom about Matthew 1
Or, as I did, simply read the passage, and see the context as presenting a genealogy of Jesus Christ. Classroom not needed.

However, to pour dispensationalism into the passage, you need to be convinced everything points to dispensationalism and then read that into every passsge.
but as far as having a spiritual quality that relates to a generation, if there is one, it is obvious you have missed it.
Because the context does not support it.
There are types and similitudes in the scriptures. One must keep that in mind.
You see types and similitudes in Matthew 1, where there is none, and ignore the types and similitudes in Revelation taking it as literal, when it is full of types and metaphors.
Ho 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.
Ok, but that doesn’t apply to Matthew 1 because the context doesn’t support it.

I do understand you are convinced in your own mind, and that is just fine.

I don’t want us to just talk past each other so I’ll bow out and leave you to your thread.

Peace to you
 

Anthony Pritchard

Active Member
Or, as I did, simply read the passage, and see the context as presenting a genealogy of Jesus Christ. Classroom not needed.

However, to pour dispensationalism into the passage, you need to be convinced everything points to dispensationalism and then read that into every passsge.

Because the context does not support it.

You see types and similitudes in Matthew 1, where there is none, and ignore the types and similitudes in Revelation taking it as literal, when it is full of types and metaphors.

Ok, but that doesn’t apply to Matthew 1 because the context doesn’t support it.

I do understand you are convinced in your own mind, and that is just fine.

I don’t want us to just talk past each other so I’ll bow out and leave you to your thread.

Peace to you
CanadyJD, that was a clear and well‑reasoned reply. You stayed with the context of the passage and handled the discussion with a steady tone. I appreciated the balance and the way you kept the focus on what the text actually says. Well done.
 

JD731

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Brother, the number 40 appears often in Scripture, but the Bible never defines it as a prophetic law or a measure of a generation. Luke 13 is a parable about Israel’s need to repent during Jesus’ ministry, not a coded timeline leading to AD 70. The New Testament never defines “this generation” as 70 years, and Psalm 90:10 is about the normal span of human life, not prophecy. When we treat parables as countdown clocks and patterns as doctrines, we end up building systems the text itself does not support.
I would say something about the parables of Jesus in the gospels. His ministry during those days was to the Jews, to Israel, only. His message, and that of the ones he chose as his 12 apostles, one to rule over each tribe, and 70 elders was after the pattern of Moses when Israel was birthed as a nation in Egypt and then led out toward the promised land of Canaan, they being baptized collectively in the Red Sea. The one and only gospel that Jesus and his disciples preached in those days was the good news, the glad tidings that the kingdom of heaven is at hand. It was called the gospel of the kingdom. When the gospel is mentioned by the four gospels writers one needs to understand this is the gospel being referred to.
You will need to see this in print.

Jn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mt 4:13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mt 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mt 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

This is a political gospel that concerns the government of the world. That is not the gospel the church is commissioned to preach and it has not been preached in the age of grace. The gospel of the grace of God has been preached and the Jews first and then the gentiles of the world are the targets.

Excerpts from Acts 28 (AD 65?)(one has to wonder if these Jews in Rome had read the letter to the Roman church that had been written in AD 58)

16 And when we came to Rome, the centurion delivered the prisoners to the captain of the guard: but Paul was suffered to dwell by himself with a soldier that kept him.
17 And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the chief of the Jews together: and when they were come together, he said unto them, Men and brethren, though I have committed nothing against the people, or customs of our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans.

20 For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.
21 And they said unto him, We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee.
22 But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.

23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. Paul was trying to get the kingdom of God in them)
24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

God would not address the Jewish nation again until his church is finished by being filled with gentiles. That is still yet in our future even now. We know now that the Jewish nation was dispersed, (dead) buried, with a promise of being raised from the dead and saved.

Ro 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles (as opposed to the Jews who he had been speaking to since Ro 7:1. Here he speaks to the gentiles about the Jews)

Ro 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
(we are told Jesus is coming back to the Mount of Olives and enter into Jerusalem through the Eastern gate and from there going out to meet the armies that are surrounding Jerusalem and destroy them)
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's (of Israel's) sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

This make perfect sense to me.

The kingdom of God is inward for all believers in heaven and earth and cannot be observed with the eye. The kingdom of heaven is physical and earthly and is outward and the King is in a literal throne in Jerusalem when it comes. The mysteries of the kingdom of heaven is a description of this church age when both the King and his nation is absent from the earth and God is ruling in the hearts of his subjects from all over the earth and fashioning them into a family who collectively is the bride of Christ and has a heavenly inheritance as joint heirs with Jesus Christ. This kingdom of heaven has tares as well as wheat, good fish and bad fish, leaven mixed in the meal, dirty birds roosting in the mustard herb tree etc and natural men, tares among the wheat, starting denominations that Jesus calls "bundles" gathered in the last days by angels that are separate from the wheat to follow them. The wheat will be gathered into the barn (the rapture) and the bundles will be burned in the tribulation fires. The natural men cannot ever understand the mysteries of God, such as the rapture of the church and the partial blindness of Israel and the mystery of iniquity and all the mysteries that are unique to this age.

There are not two kingdoms but two aspects to the one kingdom and answers spiritually to body and soul before the regeneration of the body.

Well, excuse me for going off topic here and not even speaking much about the parables of Jesus he spoke in the few days leading up to his crucifixion but I will do that in my next post maybe. I got carried away here a little. Please understand I am not arguing with you. You are free to believe what you want to believe. My style is to say what I believe and then attempt to prove it from scriptures.
 

JD731

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John and Matthew wrote:
Jn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mt 4:13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mt 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mt 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

ky, I have followed your logic and reasoning from the scriptures for a few years now. You do not believe anything in the scripture is literal. I quoted eye witness accounts of what was said and done and the order in which they happened. I accepted what was said literally and compared what these eye witnesses said with what other companion eye witnesses said to be sure I was understanding them and that all were saying the same things. They are.

I accept the definitions of words like kingdom and gospel and regeneration and throne and glory and gentiles and Israel. I understand time lines like above in Mt 4:13 "from that time" notes a transition in action and can follow the narrative to learn the transition. I can even understand the metaphor of "house of Israel" means the "family" of Israel. Lost sheep of the house of Israel can be determined, if there is a question, is by checking all the places the metaphor has been used in the remainder of scriptures and see if there is a consistency of the application of it. If lost sheep is never used in the context of gentiles would you not be correct in rebuking me if I took it upon myself to use it in that manner?

Then I look at Mt 19:28 and he has written that Jesus said in his answer to his apostles question concerning their future rewards that they will sit on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel but it would be after the 12 tribes are regenerated. That indicates to me that at some point there will be a regeneration and a restoration of the whole family of Israel as it was originally as well as a resurrection of these 12 apostles because they were all martyred except John who died without ruling over a tribe of Israel.

Please tell me how you have concluded that my accepting these words as literal that I am practicing "eisegesis" and your approach to the same scriptures is "exegesis."

What am I missing here? Thanks in advance for your answer.
 

JD731

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^^^This^^^ is eisegesis.
It is true about style. I only need to prove it from scripture because I am believing what the words say according to commonly held definitions and some people say that commonly held definitions is not the Biblical way. Who is doing that? well, you for one! But ky, I am just trying to help. I hope you understand.

Remember, you have thought you have morphed into being "Israel" because of one verse in the Bible. This one.

Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Think of this verse this way in context of Gentiles and the physical seed of Abraham who are saved now by faith.

Galatians 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule (1st group - gentiles), peace be on them, and mercy, and upon (the 2nd group - the remnant according to election of grace) the Israel of God.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I (Paul) also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant (of Israelites) according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election (the remnant) hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. :)
 

KenH

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But the covenants God made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were not cancelled when Christ came. They were called everlasting covenants.

Genesis 17:7 “And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant.”

And who is Abraham's seed? Christ. Not by the law which made the physical people of Israel into a nation until 70 A.D., after which the physical nation longer served a purpose in God's fulfilling the everlasting covenant of grace through the finished work of Christ on behalf of those whom God chose before the world began and gave to His Son to be their Surety, to have their sins imputed to Him and for which He paid their full debt, and to have Christ's perfect righteousness through His finished work as the God-man imputed to them. The everlasting covenant is about the salvation of God's elect, not a patch of dirt somewhere on this present earth. If it was, then one would have to believe that this present earth will continue on forever and ever.

Galatians 3:16-18 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
 

KenH

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Jeremiah 31:35‑36 “Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night… If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.”

God ties the continued existence of Israel as a nation to the continued existence of the sun, moon, and stars. Those are still here.

The Israel here is fulfilled in spiritual Israel - God's elect among all people - of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues. (Revelation 7:9)

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Furthermore, to be about a physical nation, then to be "forever" one would have to believe that the sun and the moon and the stars will continue on forever. They don't - 2 Peter 3:10-13.
 

KenH

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Paul is very clear about this in Romans 11.

Romans 11:1 “Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.”

Romans 11:26 “And so all Israel shall be saved.”

Paul does not say “Israel was destroyed in 70 A.D.” He says Israel has a future.

"The doctrine of election hath been, and must be, to every carnal mind, of all others the most offensive. And as the Apostle, when entering upon this Epistle, engaged in it, with a special view to establish the Church in the grand truth, of justification before God in Christ, without the deeds of the law; this involved in it the doctrine of election. And the Apostle, in the ninth Chapter, devoted the whole of it to this one purpose. And, in that very interesting part of the Epistle, he most fully proved the certainty of the doctrine, in the rejection of the Jews, and the call of the Gentiles. Foreseeing, however, that what he had there advanced, would rouse the resentment of the carnal and ungodly, and that some would misconstrue the doctrine, as though the whole body of the Jews had been rejected of God; he enters upon this Chapter with shewing, the mistake of such men, and in his own instance proves, that there were among the Jews, as well as among the Gentiles, the Lord's chosen ones. He begins the Chapter with a question, which was Paul's usual method, when he had some grand, and momentous point of doctrine, more particularly to establish, in order that he might the better confirm it. Hath God (saith he) cast away his people? And, he answers it with a kind of abhorrence; God forbid! Yea, the whole of God's purposes, is with an eye to the preservation of his people. The whole, and every individual of that mystical body the Lord gave to his Son before the world, is to be gathered out of the present time-state of the Church. It was for this Church, the Lord went forth in acts of creation. everything in nature, and in providence, is made to minister to this one purpose. And when the grand object, in the recovery of the Church is accomplished, from the present time-state in which she is now involved; the earth itself, with all that is in it, will be done away, like the scaffolding for a building, which is taken down when the building itself is finished; and Christ will bring home his Church to the eternal state of glory all along intended."

"The Apostle all along must be considered, as speaking of a distinction, between Israel after the flesh, and the Israel of God by promise. The Israel after the flesh, had no privileges, but in the outward ministry of the word. The Israel of promise, though they stumbled in Adam - fall in common with the rest, and for a while (as in the instance of those who crucified Christ, but afterwards were pricked to the heart and saved: Acts 2:23-37.) were living without God and without Christ; yet being in the Covenant, were brought to the knowledge of the truth, and saved with an everlasting salvation. If the Reader, in going over those and the like passages of Scripture, had these things always in remembrance, it would serve, under God, to throw a great light upon the subject throughout.

The figure Paul useth, of the olive tree wild by nature, and grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, is beautifully chosen, to represent not only the Gentile Church incorporated into Christ in distinction to the Jewish Church; but also hath an allusion to both Jew and Gentile, yea the whole Church, in being taken from the old Adam-nature of the fall, and by sovereign grace, made a right noble plant in Christ Jesus."

- excerpts from Robert Hawker's Poor Man's Commentary on Romans chapter 11
 

KenH

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Galatians 3:28‑29 speaks of spiritual inheritance in Christ. It does not cancel the promises God made to the fathers.

Romans 15:8 “Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.”

Christ came to confirm the promises, not to cancel them.

"By a minister of the circumcision, we are not to apprehend is meant, that Christ administered circumcision to any; though for the purpose of redeeming his Church from the curse of the law, he himself was circumcised, that he might become a debtor to fulfil the law, which he did. But I rather conceive, that the reason wherefore Christ is called a minister of the circumcision, is in a spiritual sense, and what Paul elsewhere calls: we are the circumcision which worship God in spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, Philippians 3:3. Christ therefore is himself the minister of the circumcision: to shew, that both Jew and Gentile in him, are alike interested in the whole work of salvation."

- excerpt from Robert Hawker's Poor Man's Commentary on Romans chapter 15
 

KenH

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Ezekiel 36:24 “For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.”

God brings all of His elect together - from among all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues. (Revelation 7:9) - in Christ; not to a patch of earthly dirt on this present planet, but to Christ. Away with this false idea that the future of God's people is some patch of dirt on this present sin-cursed earth!
 

KenH

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Modern Israel is not perfect, but their existence is not an accident.

Absolutely not an accident; just as the existence of any nation on the earth today - the United States, South Africa, Brazil, Iran, Belgium, etc. - is not an accident. God is absolutely totally sovereign - not a single atom in this entire universe moves except as God moves it as the Sovereign Creator of the universe and all that is in it.
 

percho

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And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:1

I wonder; What is the purpose of the new earth?
 
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