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Featured The Historicity of Adam: how important?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Calminian, Jul 30, 2018.

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  1. Rob_BW

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    As someone with an inherited genetic issue, I am intrigued.
     
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    The genealogy of Adam through Shem is found in Genesis 5. Shem to Abraham, Genesis 11. Abraham to Christ, Matthew 1:1-17.

    I would say that Adam was a historical figure. To deny such sends the whole Scriptures into doubt.
     
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  4. Calminian

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    I agree. It's a huge problem. And it's rampant in today's Church, particularly leadership.
     
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    DNA must go back to Noah and his wife, or rather the next generation of Sons and daughter-in-laws, Shem Ham and Japeth.

    Gen 10
     
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    Indeed. And it's very interesting that when that bottleneck occurred in history (the Flood and the narrowing of human DNA to just 3 couples), lifespans began to drop drastically.
     
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    The average lifespan really declined due to the flood. :)
     
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    Gen 6:3

    And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive withman, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
     
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    You have the burden of proof on that point. More likely is that after the fall the DNA transmission included more and more mutations so that by the time of Noah lifespans shortened due to mutations. Moses had to say that one could no longer marry close relatives due to genetic breakdown although heathen like Muslims marry first cousins to their detriment and even Darwin married his first cousin for money apparently.
     
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    But he's got a point, death often shortens lifespans.
     
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    If everybody dies except 6 people, the average life span decreases significantly.
     
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    God decrease lifespan in Gen 6:3
     
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    I would go so far as to say it does so in the majority of cases.

    So if your life insurance policy doesn't have flood insurance, you can claim it as an act of God?
     
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    He does but we can still speculate on the means. The passage in Gen. 6:3 might allude to an average lifespan after the flood. It's interesting that Moses lived 120 years. But some believe that the 120 years mentioned was not in reference to lifespans but rather the number of years until the flood would come.
     
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    and later

    Psa 90:10

    The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
     
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    The parallels in this passage would seem to imply that Gen. 6 passage was about lifespans more than a flood countdown, but hard to say either way. Both would work. But again, God ordains the reality and the means and doesn't always share the details. The bottleneck at the flood makes the most sense as far as the means.
     
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    Was there a literal Adam and Eve?
    Was there a literal talking serpent which was, only after talking the man and woman to eat the forbidden fruit, sentenced to slither on its belly?
    Was there a literal Noah and his ark, and a flood that covered the highest mountain peak?
    Was there a literal Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
    Did the sun literally stay 'in the sky' for hours longer than the length of the longest day in the Middle East?
    Was Elijah literally taken to heaven on a fiery chariot?
    Did many dead people literally rise on the day Jesus was crucified?
    Will Jesus literally rule the earth for 1000 years, with many of 'us' as his loyal nobles, per se?
    Will stars literally fall to earth?
    Will the moon literally become blood?
    Is there literally a red dragon and a creature from the sea that will torment mankind?
    Is there a literal lake of fire that will torture the vast majority of humanity for eternity?
     
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    I am sorry but I do not understand the logic of your point here. Actually, there were eight people on the Ark, right?
     
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    Yes to all, except perhaps to the questions that were depictions in visions or dreams. Did 7 skinny cows really eat up 7 healthy cows? of course not. But if it's narrative, absolutely. Did Jesus really rise from the dead?
     
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    yes, but Noah and his wife did not have any more children as used in the DNA example
     
    #60 loDebar, Aug 1, 2018
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