JohnP;
Why am I not surprize that you try to twist my words as you do scripture.
What I said was scripture;
Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
You really shouldn't strain that little pea brain to much by thoughts that are so deep you might drown in them
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike
The identity of "whom he foreknew" at Rom 8:29
Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Ben Elohim, Mar 1, 2005.
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Well i must say sorry then ILUVLIGHT but i thought you called me pope which for your info means father seeing as you do not know.
Since you call me father and then tell me it is wrong to call anyone father then you must be a hypocrite plain and simple. I won't add that you are likewise simple because if you were simple you would see the simple truth hypocrite.
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Johnp,
Blot, doesn't that mean erase from or remove from?
If one loses one faith what happens to one's "white robe"? -
God has really given you a powerful gift for you to know all the way across the Atlantic Ocean and the whole of the U.S. what God is telling me.
You should ponder that just a bit! -
Hi wes;
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
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40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
God still did the action. If they had autonomy, how was God allowed to do this? He blinded their eyes? And why? SO THEY WILL NOT CONVERT !! Hmmmm.... I thought God was powerless and not allowed to do this... or can and does He?... -
God has always treated the Jews differently than he has treated the rest of mankind...the gentiles!
Who said that God is powerless? Not I!
But I do say His attributes, e.g., grace, mercy, love, etc. have no power unto themselves. They all must have the power of the person of God to be the least bit effective, therefore it is God the person who does the things that men, like you, attributes to one or more of God's attributes.
Grace is not God!
Love is not God!
Mercy is not God!
Therefore none of them have any power to save! It is God who does that! -
This narrative still shows that God BLINDS. If God is "just" (using your definition which actually is being "fair") He will not blind anybody, this is interfering with their free will. No matter who they are, if MAN has free will to choose, this narrative shows that he didn't and God was not being "fair".
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rc;
The Jews did something that is contrary to what Calvinism teaches in order to have this blindness inflicted on them. You should know that better than I being a Jew. They rejected Christ and they knew better. Satan doesn't go around telling people to believe in God and all the while fulfills prophecy. This blindness was only inflicted on those who rejected Him at the time because here we have you proclaiming to be a Jew who believes in Christ. Now if you're blind how do you explain your faith. You have no explanation of why do you? Obviously you are elected. You are a Jew and you claim to be able to trace your family tree all the way back to Abraham remember.
Another point if all Jews were blinded then we couldn't explain the disciples and the 5000 or so that believed immediately after the resurrection.
After this happened the Jews blinded them selves through believing in there Rabbi's and scribes. These attempted to lead all Israel astray and they're still doing it. Israel has placed far to much trust in them .
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
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Wes.
1 Cor 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
What do we do then Wes when we turn Him out of His own Temple? Only a fool believes there is no God.
Jesus said He will never leave us nor forsake us. You do not believe that. Plain and simple.
You therefore cannot believe in Jesus because you have not overcome the world and fear least you fall away.
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ILUVLIGHT.
My official title is Royal Priest. Our duties involves us in the worship of God, calling in the sheep and feeding them until they become mature and to warn the reprobate in general of their impending doom. :cool: You will remember these days as you stand before my Father on that Day of Days.
johnp. -
ILUVLIGHT.
johnp. -
JohnP;
We are told let our light shine. My light is that of Christ.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike -
ILUVLIGHT.
My official title is Royal Priest.
Is this another scripture you deny?
Why do you think this a good prayer? That you ask the Lord to shine His light on those already damned?
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If they already rejected Christ there would be no reason to blind them !! Also what was the REASON for them to be blinded ... GOD DID NOT WANT THEM TO BE CONVERTED...
They weren't blinded BECAUSE they rejected Christ, THE TEXT says they rejected Christ BECAUSE GOD blinded them !! You can't switch text meaning like that.
And being a Jew I do know better... to bad you don't listen to what I say !! -
This blindness was only inflicted on those who rejected Him at the time because here we have you proclaiming to be a Jew who believes in Christ.
2 Corinthians 3:14-16 14 But their minds were hardened. For TO THIS DAY, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16 But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed.
How does one TURN? Ezek 36.26
2 Corinthians 4:4 n their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Romans 11:25-29 a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob"; 27 "and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins." 28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies of God for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
YES, THERE IS STILL A PARTIAL HARDENING.. FROM GOD !!!! I am the elect of the elect praise God... And until GOD by His Soveriegnty chooses, ALL Israel will be saved... HMMMM.. sounds like they don't have a matter in it do they? ... Neither do the Gentiles !! God does ALL things according to HIS plan. And His plan includes a SPECIFIC number of people being saved of the World and the Jews. -
ILUVLIGHT.
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Johnp,
You are as blind as any one human can be! You deliberately refuse to see the truth, and you accuse me of being lost!
Your ignorance of the word of God overshadows your use of the word of God! -
Wes.
You are as blind as any one human can be!
Thanks Wes I'll take that as a compliment. :cool:
You deliberately refuse to see the truth, and you accuse me of being lost!
Not for being lost. I don't accuse you of anything but I state the facts as I know them. I am authorised to judge and so I judge because I am commanded to judge. Saying you are not saved is not an accusation but a warning, take it or leave it, I have obeyed my Lord.
Anyway I am not saying you are one of the lost because I do not know if you are elect. It might be that you were chosen before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in His sight. The fact remains that you have not been called up to this point.
Answer my post like a scholar and not a school kid.
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