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What you have said here is marvelously, wonderfully thanks to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, true IN THE NEW TESTAMENT,

But it still was the opposite in the Old Testament.

Sorry or rather very happy to say.

Biblicist how come you don't READ Leviticus without your scratched and cracked and dilapidated and out of focus old 'Law-glasses'?!

And please go read this post again ... please, attentively!
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2008660&posted=1#post2008660

 

No, I know very well what is correct and that is how the translators ABLY translated the word of the specific day involved in Mark 16:9, "the First Day of the week" [more or less the equivalent of 'Sunday'.]

The Greek phrase, ‘prohtehi sabbatou’ translated "on the First Day of the week" in Mark 16:9 is a ‘relatively new’, NEW Testament and Christian ‘expression’, applying the word, the Hebraism, ‘sabbatou’, idiomatically to identify the “First Day of the week”. 'Idiom'- is sometimes explicable sometimes inexplicable not necessarily grammatically correct but commonly well understood linguistic expression.

‘Sabbatou’ from ‘sabbaton’ for ‘sabbath’, yes.

But ‘sabbath’ generally, that is, not “The Seventh Day Sabbath”?

No; because the day involved according to the context is the named-by-number day, “the First (Day) of the week” [‘the First (Day) of the Sabbath’].

“The First (Day) of the week” is referenced NOT ‘in connection with “the Sabbath”’ the day as such. But it is referenced with respect to the name-WORD for, the Sabbath—the word, ‘sabbatou’, “of the week”.

Since ‘the Sabbath’ is “the day The SEVENTH Day Sabbath of the LORD”, ‘prohtehi sabbatou’ is “The First Day” with respect to “the SEVENTH Day Sabbath”. It is “the FIRST day” in respect of “the SEVENTH Day” which “Seventh Day” again, “is the Sabbath”—“the Sabbath Day of the LORD.”

Therefore “the First Day” is no “first Sabbath”.

If it had been “on the First (of the) Sabbath”, the Greek must have been ‘prohtehi [Dative] sabbatohi [Dative]’—not ‘sabbatou’ Genitive.

 

All Sabbath "Law" - has these points in common.

1. The day for Sabbath is selected by God - it is not up to man-made tradition to invent one.

2. The day for Sabbath is to be kept holy - is binding on man -

3. The day is 24 hours not 2 or 3 hours in church.

4. The Word of God deals with the scope for each Sabbath.

in the case of the 4th commandment "From Sabbath to Sabbath ...shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" in the new heavens and new earth of Rev 21. According to Isaiah 66.

in Christ,

Bob

 

A great example of what we do not find in the Bible so you "quote you" not the actual Bible - to make that point.

How instructive.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Just when I thought you did not bellieve in "two gospels" it turns out you do - how "surprising"

Again "you quote you".

The Baptist Confession of Faith states that the 4th commandment Sabbath is STILL in place and STILL applies to all mankind - even the saints just as it did in Gen 2:3 to Adam and Eve.

And of course in Isaiah 66 "From Sabbath to Sabbath..Shall ALL Mankind come before Me to worship" in the New Earth and New Heavens of Rev 21.

And sound exegesis allows us to Admit exactly what Isaiah would know as the Sabbath cycle each week - and also his readers.

How "instructive".

in Christ,

Bob

 

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Your views are conflicted on so many levels.

By contrast the Baptist Confession of Faith

Spurgeon's own edit of the Baptist Confession of Faith admists to the fact that in the actual BIBLE the Sabbath is the SEVENTH day of the week - Saturday not the FIRST day of the week - SUNDAY.

Quote:
As it is the law of nature that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, should be set apart for the worship of God, so He has given in His Word a positive, moral and perpetual commandment, binding upon all men, in all ages to this effect. He has particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy for Him. From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week, and from the resurrection of Christ it was changed to the first day of the week and called the Lord's Day. This is to be continued until the end of the world as the Christian Sabbath, the observation of the last day of the week having been abolished.

Hint: If Sunday is the "first day of the week" then what day is the "last day of the week"? --- most here might suspect "Saturday".

Q: Why can't the document bring itself to say "seventh day" or "Seventh day of the week" as is stated in the Bible. Why the term "last day of the week"? A term never found in all of scripture??

[FONT=&quot]There is probably a reason for such a drastic departure from the key point of the command. They do not want to frame the statement as the perfect contradiction to the text of scripture - that it is.[/FONT]

Can we blame them for wanting to downplay it -- or can we?

in Christ,

Bob

 

Hint: If it is "Wrong" to apply it to the seventh day of the week - to Saturday "now" - then by your own logic it would be "wrong" to think that it applied to the "first day of the week" as given by God in Gen 2:3 and Exodus 20.

You have so many ways to expose your own argument as being conflicted and flawed.

Hard to count them all.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The flawed logic there is proven even by your own Baptist Confession of Faith - where they argue that Adam and Eve keep the 4th commandment "in practice" based on the text of Gen 2:3.

You keep missing these details as you come up with excuse after excuse to avoid the obvious in the text itself.

Your task would be much simpler were you not determined to undercut the text of Gen 2:3 and Ex 20:8-11 where its language refutes your claims to the contrary.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The application was made in Genesis 2 - for Adam and Eve - in real life based on the command given in Gen 2:3 - the principle being that our Creator God can sanctify and make Holy any day He chooses - and He chose the 7th day of the week - because he made the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day.

God's sovereign act alone in explicitly sanctifying the day itself and making it holy - with His sovereign imperative for mankind - "is sufficient" to make the day Holy and binding for mankind - as we see from Gen 2:3. Thus the application for Adam and Even - the 7th day Sabbath - the weekly Sabbath - the day of Gen 2:3.

Obviously.

(Even by Baptist Confession of Faith standards).

in Christ,

Bob

 

The application was made in Genesis 2 - for Adam and Eve - in real life based on the command given in Gen 2:3 - the principle being that our Creator God can sanctify and make Holy any day He chooses - and He chose the 7th day of the week - because he made the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day.

God's sovereign act alone in explicitly sanctifying the day itself and making it holy - with His sovereign imperative for mankind - "is sufficient" to make the day Holy and binding for mankind - as we see from Gen 2:3. Thus the application for Adam and Even - the 7th day Sabbath - the weekly Sabbath - the day of Gen 2:3.

Obviously.

(Even by Baptist Confession of Faith standards).

see
http://www.creeds.net/baptists/1689/kerkham/1689.htm#Ch19


And the points - as modified by Spurgeon
[FONT=&quot]http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm#part19[/FONT]

Pretty hard to see your point given that neither you or DHK has ever given us a link to some other document called the "Baptist Confession of Faith".

If your argument is that Spurgeon and the Baptist that came before you did not know a nickle's-worth of anything about doctrine or Baptist documents, Baptist history - and should not be trusted - that is fine. But if you did such a thing - you can't expect that all the world joins you in that fiction.

I think we both would agree on that.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Since you ask about your own Baptist Confession of Faith - the one I am quoting from reads like this -

http://www.creeds.net/baptists/1689/kerkham/1689.htm#Ch19

THE LAW OF GOD

19.1 God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience written in his heart,1 and a specific precept not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.2 By this he bound him and all his descendants to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience. God promised life on fulfilling it, and threatened death on breaching it, and he endued him with power and ability to keep it.3
(1) Gen 1:27; Ecc 7:29; Rom 2:12a,14-15
(2) Gen 2:16-17
(3) Gen 2:16-17; Rom 10:5; Gal 3:10,12


19.2 The same law that was first written in the human heart continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the fall.1 It was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in TEN commandments (written in two tables) the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six our duty to our fellow beings.3
(1) For the Fourth Commandment: Gen 2:3; Exo 16; Gen 7:4; 8:10,12. For the Fifth Commandment: Gen 37:10. For the Sixth Commandment: Gen 4:3-15. For the Seventh Commandment: Gen 12:17. For the Eighth Commandment: Gen 31:30; 44:8. For the Ninth Commandment: Gen 27:12. For the Tenth Commandment: Gen 6:2; 13:10-11
(2) Rom 2:12a,14-15
(3) Exo 32:15-16; 34:4,28; Deu 10:4


19.3 Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased to give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These were partly concerning worship, and in them Christ was prefigured—his graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits.1 They also gave instructions about various moral duties.2 All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of the New Testament, when Jesus Christ abrogated them and took them away, for he was the true Messiah and only law-giver, and was empowered to do this by the Father.3
(1) Heb 10:1; Col 2:16-17
(2) 1Co 5:7; 2Co 6:17; Jude 1:23
(3) Col 2:14,16-17; Eph 2:14-16


19.4 To the people of Israel he also gave various judicial laws which lapsed when they ceased as a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation,1 but their principles of equity continue to be applicable in modern times.2
(1) Luk 21:20-24; Act 6:13-14; Heb 9:18-19 with 8:7,13; 9:10; 10:1
(2) 1Co 5:1; 9:8-10


19.5 Obedience to the moral law remains forever binding on all, both justified persons and others,1 both in regard to the content of the law, and also to the authority of God the Creator who gave the law.2 Nor does Christ in any way dissolve this law in the Gospel, on the contrary, he strengthens our obligation [to obey the moral law].3

 

It seems to me that "clicking on the links" is a big clue as to who published the Baptist Confession of Faith documents.

As we all know by now - the imaginary "I have yet another Baptist Confession of Faith for you" that is not 1689 or the version of that same document expanded by Spurgeon in the 1800's - fiction has yet to produce even "one".

So asking the question as if there were some bevy of them going around by that title - is a nice story - that has yet to find a source.

Or you can deny that the 1689 document exists.

Either way is fine with me. ( After all - I am not even baptist - feel free to deny or oppose all the Baptist documents you want) I think most everyone else is passed denying that this key document exists or making up stories about there being some others by the name "Baptist Confession of Faith".

in Christ,

Bob