The J6 tapes finally released

[canadyjd]

Fair enough.

Do you believe the vote total in the state of Georgia was true enough for the electoral votes to go to Biden? Especially in counties of and surrounding Atlanta ?

Why does it appear that, even though it is the law, election records can not be viewed by Joe Public and are not kept for the legal time. Why should one need to go to court to exam election records and why do judges rule against the examination of those election records?

I believe there was widespread fraud in swing states. I believe election laws were ignored, ballots were manufactured for Biden, and I don’t believe Biden got 80+ votes.

I also recognize the legislatures in those states accepted and certified all those results and sent electors to congress to vote for Biden. That is the constitutional process.

That makes Biden the duly elected, constitutionally elected POTUS.

FYI, 5 out of 6 legislatures in those states were majority repub.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

They didn't. Chansley entered the Capitol but the officers were trying to make sure he didn't enter (and then get him to leave) the Senate wing.

It was falsely reported by the alt-right that the officers were giving him a tour.

Looked like a tour to me. They just leading him around .

 

[Reynolds]

They verified the votes. What you are assuming is that the ballots were not legitimate.

You live in GA. I live on the boarder. I think we all really knew GA would go Blue because of how liberal the metro areas have become (just as I knew that Augusta would be a blue city).

It's not blue. It's fraud and ballot harvesting. The RINO gov won because they didn't go after him.

 

[JonC]

Looked like a tour to me. They just leading him around .

Sure. It would look like anything we are told it looked like. Turns out they were simply trying to keep him out, and get him out, of the Senate wing without causing a ruckus.

If that were in Walmart we'd applaud the officers for trying to defuse the situation. Unfortunately the riot would quickly get into full swing after that (Chansley was among the first time get into the building).

People on both sides have worked very hard to control the narrative.

At one time there were more honest people....at least more honest Republicans. Not they are all dishonest. At least on the fringe (alt-right and extreme liberals). They couldn't say an honest word if their lives depended on it.

 

[JonC]

It's not blue. It's fraud and ballot harvesting. The RINO gov won because they didn't go after him.

GA is blue...or more precisely, purplish pink. I wish it were Red (I remember when it was).

Or.....most of GA (geographically) is red but y'all let too many liberals move in the cities.

(I'm just pushing buttons here, but I have noticed where the Blue is growing. North Augusta is conservative, Augusta liberal).

 

[Reynolds]

Sure. It would look like anything we are told it looked like. Turns out they were simply trying to keep him out, and get him out, of the Senate wing without causing a ruckus.

If that were in Walmart we'd applaud the officers for trying to defuse the situation. Unfortunately the riot would quickly get into full swing after that (Chansley was among the first time get into the building).

People on both sides have worked very hard to control the narrative.

At one time there were more honest people....at least more honest Republicans. Not they are all dishonest. At least on the fringe (alt-right and extreme liberals). They couldn't say an honest word if their lives depended on it.

They led him into the house chamber. I saw that. It was obvious what happened before Tucker told me.

 

[Reynolds]

GA is blue...or more precisely, purplish pink. I wish it were Red (I remember when it was).

Or.....most of GA (geographically) is red but y'all let too many liberals move in the cities.

(I'm just pushing buttons here, but I have noticed where the Blue is growing. North Augusta is conservative, Augusta liberal).

The state is red. Ga house, senate, and Gov dominated by Republicans. Senate and Presidential elections got frauded in Fulton and DeKalb.

 

[JonC]

They led him into the house chamber. I saw that. It was obvious what happened before Tucker told me.

Yes, I agree. The police officer said that at that point he had taken it upon himself to take a "hands off approach". Chansley entered the building earlier (one of the first). The officer had repeatedly told Chansley to exit the building but Chansley ignored him and the officer simply walked along.

The officer defended his actions by stating that he believed the crowd outside was too large for the police to handle by force. Chansley was not breaking windows, beating police officers, or threatening. He was merely trespassing (criminal trespass) and ignoring the officers request.

Personally, I think it was a good decision on the officers part. But knowing now how false narratives would be spun maybe he should have shot him. I just can't see that as justifiable as he was peaceful in his actual interactions.

 

[JonC]

The state is red. Ga house, senate, and Gov dominated by Republicans. Senate and Presidential elections got frauded in Fulton and DeKalb.

You missed the part where I said I was pushing your buttons (being that you are from GA).

That said, GA is not considered Red, but rather teetering on Red (it is in the pink zone).

But don't worry. Men can wear pink today (not like when we were kids) and they even make pink camouflage.

 

[Mikoo]

John, We have video of two officers waving the "rioters" in. One officer opens a barricade.

Jon seems to have his mind already made up.

 

[Mikoo]

Yeah, no one is stupid enough to defend women being beaten up, or literally killed, granny being literally thrown down a ten foot flight of cement steps…….no problem controlling your emotions I guess. Did you read Mckellop’s account?

Rosanne was beaten with a baton dozens of times by Officer Lila Morris.

Jon is presenting the alt-left version and the alt-left version only, IMHO

 

[JonC]

Jon seems to have his mind already made up.

That could be said if others here.

A video shows Babbitt entering the Senate Lobby through a window, her left foot and leg already in the room. @Revmitchell says she was not trying to enter the room, even though she had climbed up and was already partially in the room.

You guys say the officer was waving the mob to the Capital in a video. But another video of the exact same instance shows that the officer was waving back a few police officers.


I don't have my mind made up, but I cannot believe sources that have repeatedly made false narratives.

There is a video showing an officer beating towards the ground. All we can make out is people, the officer, and several rioters dragging a police officer.

Is the officer beating an unconscious woman or is she striking at those pulling the police officer across the ground?

I side with the latter because it makes more sense.


A few police officers follow Chansley through the Capitol. We know they were repeatedly asking him to vacate the building, but they did not use force.

Was the officer, as he claims, trying to control the situation the best he could while trying to prevent violence, given that he knew (per his statement) that the mob outside was too large (and Chansley actually affirmed this officers claim) or was the officer giving Chansley a tour of the building?

I side with the latter for the same reason.


Here is the larger question:

You saw, if you looked at the video, that Babbitt was entering the Senate Lobby and had already partially entered as she was stepping through

Was Babbitt entering?


You saw, if you watched both videos, that the police officer was motioning to a few officers who responded to him rather than waving the crowd to go to the Capitol.

Was the officer waving the crowd in?


My mind is not made up. I watched the videos and decided which was the most logical conclusion.

Those who hate police officers WILL ALWAYS decide law enforcement is evil. The irony is many of these, in our nation, are former officers (probably crooked cops thinking that is the norm).

 

[Mikoo]

That could be said if others here.

A video shows Babbitt entering the Senate Lobby through a window, her left foot and leg already in the room. @Revmitchell says she was not trying to enter the room, even though she had climbed up and was already partially in the room.

You guys say the officer was waving the mob to the Capital in a video. But another video of the exact same instance shows that the officer was waving back a few police officers.


I don't have my mind made up, but I cannot believe sources that have repeatedly made false narratives.

There is a video showing an officer beating towards the ground. All we can make out is people, the officer, and several rioters dragging a police officer.

Is the officer beating an unconscious woman or is she striking at those pulling the police officer across the ground?

I side with the latter because it makes more sense.


A few police officers follow Chansley through the Capitol. We know they were repeatedly asking him to vacate the building, but they did not use force.

Was the officer, as he claims, trying to control the situation the best he could while trying to prevent violence, given that he knew (per his statement) that the mob outside was too large (and Chansley actually affirmed this officers claim) or was the officer giving Chansley a tour of the building?

I side with the latter for the same reason.


Here is the larger question:

You saw, if you looked at the video, that Babbitt was entering the Senate Lobby and had already partially entered as she was stepping through

Was Babbitt entering?


You saw, if you watched both videos, that the police officer was motioning to a few officers who responded to him rather than waving the crowd to go to the Capitol.

Was the officer waving the crowd in?


My mind is not made up. I watched the videos and decided which was the most logical conclusion.

Those who hate police officers WILL ALWAYS decide law enforcement is evil. The irony is many of these, in our nation, are former officers (probably crooked cops thinking that is the norm).

Like I wrote, Jon seems to have his mind already made up.

 

[Reynolds]

Like I wrote, Jon seems to have his mind already made up.

Yep. If the tapes supported the lefts narrative, Why the left fight so hard to keep tapes secret?

 

[Reynolds]

You missed the part where I said I was pushing your buttons (being that you are from GA).

That said, GA is not considered Red, but rather teetering on Red (it is in the pink zone).

But don't worry. Men can wear pink today (not like when we were kids) and they even make pink camouflage.

I saw it. I simply know Ga is not purple or blue. It has 2 counties that fraud state wide election swings.

 

[JonC]

Jon is presenting the alt-left version and the alt-left version only, IMHO

No. I am critical of both sides.

JonC is, however, honest.


I cannot, with ANY degree of integrity, say that Babbitt was not trying to enter the room when the video clear shows her stepping through that window with her left leg. She had ALREADY partially entered the room.

I cannot, with ANY degree of integrity, say that the officer was waving the crowd in when the video clearly shows he was motioning to the officers who immediately responded to him.


I am not sure you understand what "leftist" means.

The left is a liberal political ideology.

Here I am in the conservative right. In fact, I doubt you can provide even ONE leftist ideology I hold.


There are only TWO instances that have been mentioned which are not proven to haven been alt-right lies (these are up to opinion and what others have said).


The First is the woman being beaten or trampled.

The difference here is logic.

I do not understand why we would assume the officer was beating an unconscious woman rather than trying to get rioters to stop dragging that other officer down the stairs. It just does not seem logical.


The Second is Chansley, whether the officer was following him because he was trying to avoid a violent encounter and was concerned about the mob outside or if the officer was giving him a guided tour.

Given that we know the officer repeatedly told Chansley to leave the building logic seems to dictate the former.


BUT I am a conservative. I never bought into the "law enforcement is evil" propaganda or "defund the police". That is a leftist and alt-right position.

 

[Mikoo]

No. I am critical of both sides.

JonC is, however, honest.


I cannot, with ANY degree of integrity, say that Babbitt was not trying to enter the room when the video clear shows her stepping through that window with her left leg. She had ALREADY partially entered the room.

I cannot, with ANY degree of integrity, say that the officer was waving the crowd in when the video clearly shows he was motioning to the officers who immediately responded to him.


I am not sure you understand what "leftist" means.

The left is a liberal political ideology.

Here I am in the conservative right. In fact, I doubt you can provide even ONE leftist ideology I hold.


There are only TWO instances that have been mentioned which are not proven to haven been alt-right lies (these are up to opinion and what others have said).


The First is the woman being beaten or trampled.

The difference here is logic.

I do not understand why we would assume the officer was beating an unconscious woman rather than trying to get rioters to stop dragging that other officer down the stairs. It just does not seem logical.


The Second is Chansley, whether the officer was following him because he was trying to avoid a violent encounter and was concerned about the mob outside or if the officer was giving him a guided tour.

Given that we know the officer repeatedly told Chansley to leave the building logic seems to dictate the former.


BUT I am a conservative. I never bought into the "law enforcement is evil" propaganda or "defund the police". That is a leftist and alt-right position.

Maybe read again with comprehension this time. I never said you hold leftist ideologies.
What I wrote was. 'Jon is presenting the alt-left version and the alt-left version only, IMHO'.

I understand what 'leftist' means.

Anything against the narrative of the alt-left presented to you, you immediately give/buy the alt-left response.

Dictionary.com ALT-Left

1. a purported political faction espousing an extreme leftist ideology, or one espousing liberal ideology but using extreme, antiestablishment messaging (used primarily by the self-named alt-right movement in order to suggest that the political Left’s pursuit of radical change is commensurate to its own, but also by more mainstream liberals to differentiate their message from those further left.)

 

[JonC]

Yep. If the tapes supported the lefts narrative, Why the left fight so hard to keep tapes secret?

That is the only one left in question.

We have what the officer stated, and the reason the officer gave for his decisions. I'm pro-law enforcement (and pro-military) so I do have my biases. But I grant that issue is dependent in opinion and heresy (for the both of us....you have not seen a tour video either.....all we know is Chansley was repeatedly asked to leave the building. It could have been with a wink and a nod).


But look at the false information that has been disproven simply based on video evidence:

1. Members here claims Babbitt was not entering the Senate Lobby.

The video shows that she was stepping through the window and had partially entered when she was shot.

2. Members claimed that the unconscious woman was beaten and provided a video showing an officer striking at somebody we could not see right by those pulling another fallen officer towards the steps.

No proof of the unconscious woman being beaten, just a narrative.

3. Members claimed the officer was waving the mob to the Capitol.

A video from a different angle shows the officer was actually motioning towards a few fellow officers who responded to him.


Now, you initially believed that last one. I initially believed it too...so you are not alone. But doesn't it bother you that somebody on the alt-right lied to you in order to manipulate you? It bothers me.

 

[Mikoo]

That is the only one left in question.

We have what the officer stated, and the reason the officer gave for his decisions. I'm pro-law enforcement (and pro-military) so I do have my biases. But I grant that issue is dependent in opinion and heresy (for the both of us....you have not seen a tour video either.....all we know is Chansley was repeatedly asked to leave the building. It could have been with a wink and a nod).


But look at the false information that has been disproven simply based on video evidence:

1. Members here claims Babbitt was not entering the Senate Lobby.

The video shows that she was stepping through the window and had partially entered when she was shot.

2. Members claimed that the unconscious woman was beaten and provided a video showing an officer striking at somebody we could not see right by those pulling another fallen officer towards the steps.

No proof of the unconscious woman being beaten, just a narrative.

3. Members claimed the officer was waving the mob to the Capitol.

A video from a different angle shows the officer was actually motioning towards a few fellow officers who responded to him.


Now, you initially believed that last one. I initially believed it too...so you are not alone. But doesn't it bother you that somebody on the alt-right lied to you in order to manipulate you? It bothers me.

Point proven. Anything against the narrative of the alt-left presented to you, you immediately give/buy the alt-left response.

 

[JonC]

Maybe read again with comprehension this time. I never said you hold leftist ideologies.
What I wrote was. 'Jon is presenting the alt-left version and the alt-left version only, IMHO'.

I understand what 'leftist' means. Anything against the narrative of the alt-left presented to you, you immediately give/buy the alt-left response.

Dictionary.com ALT-Left

1. a purported political faction espousing an extreme leftist ideology, or one espousing liberal ideology but using extreme, antiestablishment messaging (used primarily by the self-named alt-right movement in order to suggest that the political Left’s pursuit of radical change is commensurate to its own, but also by more mainstream liberals to differentiate their message from those further left.)

But, I am not presenting the left version.

The left (I think they are all "alt" reality) presents Jan 6 as an insurrection.

I watched those videos and stated what they contained.


Let's look at the first. You tell me how it is the "alt-left" version.


The video shows Babbitt approaching the left door to the Senate Lobby, climbing up to the point here feet are at the bottom of the window frame, and then stepping through the window with her left foot and being shot having partially entered the room.

That is not opinion. That is not a version. That is what the video shows (that is undeniable).

The other version is that Babbitt was not trying to enter the Senate Lobby.


Ok...your turn. How is an actual video showing Babbitt climbing through a window a "version"??

How is the "alt-right" narrative stating something proven false not a lie?????

I mean....we all see the video. We all see her left leg through that window.