The Judgement of man

I totally agree!

 

However, FAL,

I am not diminishing the desire of the believer to keep the commandments.


However, As I posted in context from Acts, this whole question was asked and answered by the Apostles.

You don't agree with their statement, or their statement is in disagreement with the Scriptures you posted, or your selection of posted scriptures are nothing but trying to "proof text" a view that is not valid.

What were the EXACT commands the Apostles stated the believers were to keep?

What was their statement as to the rest of the "law of Mosses?"

How does that agree with what you are putting forth?

I DO NOT see the keeping of commandments as "earmarking" a person as saved or not.

BTW, earmarking is an identification of ownership. That job was given to the Holy Spirit - not the law.

 

You are like a one trick pony.

You don't answer the questions and only repost what you consider is an answer.

Show IN CONTEXT that each of those verses are applicable to your view.

Then there might be some ground for discussion.

Until then, they remain precious Scripture, but not applicable as proof of your view, for as you would apply those Scriptures they are in total disagreement with the statement to the church made by the Apostles.


Either you are wrong or the Apostles.

Perhaps you can show me how the Apostles said, "All believers are to keep the commandments as proof they are indeed saved."

 

There was once a thread on this board several years ago called the 24 hour sinless day, which I concluded was impossible. The verse being used to keep his commandments is the life we get when we are changed by Jesus Christ through faith. Our nature is now not to sin vs the old life of habitual sin. That does not mean we will never sin again, but when we do, we ask for forgivness and go on. There is a vast difference between that and the way the verse about obeying my commandments is being presented. It is being presented in a Pharisee type mindset, instead of a I love the Lord mindset. One verse that seems to have been left out is that if we say we have no sin, we are liars, and guess what, you just sinned again. It shows how much we need Jesus, not how well we can obey a set of memorized rules under our own power. Common sense goes a long way, if you have it.

 

I do not mean to argue with you, and think that it is a matter of wording, but there is a big difference between practicing sin and never committing sin, which I cannot do, and do not believe you can. I usually agree with your posts. In fact, the anger in your recent posts might be a sin in itself. There is no way I can go 24 hours without some selfish thought, deed or motive, maybe without even realizing it. If we could go a day without sinning, we could go a lifetime without sinning. Telling people their opinions are false because you do not agree with them is not really the way to go about debating.

 

I agree with that completely. I have a long way to go to be what the Lord would have me to be. The Lord changed my life, but I still do not live up to what He wants. The solution is more faith in Him and a closer walk. One of my biggest downfalls is total frustration at those who will not respond to the Gospel on my time table, or lazy people in the church who will not help. No doubt those feelings are a sin. I could go all day and give examples, but this is one of my biggest faults, probably followed my total dislike of arrogance. We all have different areas of weakness, and that is why brothers and sisters in Christ who are strong in our weak areas can help us mature.

 

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We just disagree with how you understand what the intent of the author is!

 

I have tried to get FAL to tell me of which commandments John is speaking.

There are those commandments in the law of Moses. There are 613 commandments (mitzvouth) in the Torah (first 5 books of the Bible).

Then there are the commandments of Christ in the NT.
These are those which Jesus calls His own.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.​

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.​

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.​

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.​

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.​

ohn 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.​

FAL, Is there a word which predominates all the others?

"love one another".

Do each of us here at the BB (and this thread) live up to this one commandment?

HankD​

 

This is Great!!!

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Do you believe that one can be saved and still be sinning at times?
that good works will accompany getting saved, but how obedient we are to "keeping the Commandments" does NOT interfere with our salvation?

Which Commandment is the greatest, as per jesus?

Love the Lord your God fully/completely, love your neighbor as yourself!

have you EVER kept that command to the standard God requires it to be ?

be ye perfect, Just as your Father in heaven is...

Have you managed to do that perfectly since getting saved?

 

I am NOT denying Scripture. For you to assume that is the case is wrong!


I merely ask you to look at your post of Scriptures in light of what the Apostles stated in Acts.

Can you reconcile the word of the Apostles to your Scriptures?

If you can't then one Scripture calls the other in error.

If you can, then it will require you to modify what you consider a commandment that the gentiles are to follow.

I hold that Scriptures do not argue against each other, but that each Scripture principle is build upon Scripture connecting to Scripture.

I will again state, that it is abundantly clear that the true believer will strive to keep the "ten commandments." This is as it should be.

I will again state, that it is abundantly clear that the true believe cannot keep the "ten commandments." This is the frailty of the human condition.

If you can support your claim to be agreeable to what the apostles stated in Acts, I have no problem.

If you cannot support your claim to be agreeable to what the apostles stated in Acts, the problem is yours.

Of course you can always use a fall back position, that the commandments the apostles told the church to keep are the ones you are making the claim we are to uphold. We would then be in agreement.