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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by savedbymercy, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. Yeshua1

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    Again, when were you justified before God and made a new creation in Christ?

    was it in the womb, baby or?

    Born in a state of sinless perfection?
     
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    Read my threads. In the mean time work salvation is your testimony !
     
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    You false slanderous accuser! The Bible repeatedly states clearly and explicitly that justification by faith is not of works but is of grace! (Rom. 4:1-6; Eph. 2:8-9; John 6:29, 64-65; Heb. 12:2; etc.). Stop your lying!
     
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    The scripture no where states that believing is not a work ! The reason why it doesn't is because it is, its an act of man, something man does with the mind. The definition of a work is this ! The greek word is ergon :

    business, employment, that which any one is occupied
    that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
    any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

    an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

    Now when you from scripture can show where believing is not an act of man or a deed of man or a thing done by man, or where it is not accomplished by the mind of man

    Then you have proven that believing is not a work of man !
     
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    Justifying faith is a WORK OF GOD - Jn. 6:29; Heb. 12:2
    Justifying faith is not of works but of grace - Rom. 4:1-6; 16; Eph. 2:8-10
    Justifying faith is coming to Christ but coming is the work of God drawing - Jn. 6:64-65 and thus it is a GIFT of God "given him of my Father" - Jn. 6:65

    You don't know the Biblical distinction between justifying faith and faithfulness any more than you know the Biblical difference between Purpose and fulfillment - "I have purposed it, I WILL DO it."
     
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    The Elect are Justified in Christ before the world began, before Adam was Created.

    But that is not saying they are born in sinless perfection ! The Elect are born sinners like other men, they are Just Justified before God by Christ's Righteousness when they are born sinners.

    The Death of Christ, hath before God's law and Justice, Hath Perfected them forever Heb 10:14, being born a sinner does not change that !
     
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    The Just shall live by Faith ! This is a Promise that everyone Christ died for, who He Justified by His Death alone, shall Live by Faith ! No one Christ died for shall remain in unbelief, its impossible if indeed the Just SHALL live by Faith !
     
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    Again, you demonstrate clearly your total disregard for the context of a statement you simply jerk out of context. Both Romans 1:16-17 and Galatians 3:10-12 are both gospel contexts that deal with justificaiton by faith IN THE GOSPEL message.

    Neither text refers to the eternity past or to the cross but to the gospel message of what Christ did on the cross to be received by faith which justifies the believer before God thus obtaining peace with God at the moment of faith in the gospel.

    No honest exegete could fail to see that Romans 1:15-17 is about the gospel, preaching the gospel and what faith in the gospel obtains for the believer. No honest exeget could fail to see that the entire book of Galatians is about justification by grace through faith in the gospel as this is the very subject introduced in Galatians 1:6-8 and again repeated in Galatians 3:1-8 just previous to the disputed text in Galatains 3:10-12.

    You advertise your ignorance of scripture and you mishandle and distort the word of God to suite your own belly.
     
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    The Elect were Justified before the world began, before their sin in Adam !

    They were In Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    God never charged the Elect with their condemnation, He charged it to Christ instead !
     
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    The Just shall live by Faith ! This is a Promise that everyone Christ died for, who He Justified by His Death alone, shall Live by Faith ! No one Christ died for shall remain in unbelief, its impossible if indeed the Just SHALL live by Faith !
     
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    faith is what God uses to have His grace applied towards them, in order to save them!

    No faith in jesus, no salvation!

    faith is what God requires in order to have us access His grace and then we are saved!
     
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    Work Salvation and Justfication.

    Those who Christ died for are Justified before God, the Resurrection is proof of it Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
     
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    You jerk scripture out of its context and fabricate a doctrine out of your own imagination. Place this text back into its context and it makes you a deceiver and a perverter of scripture.

    Rom. 4:23 ¶ Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
    24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
    25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
    1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:


    Both positive and negative Imputation has been defined as justification in verses 5-8; Righteousness imputed by faith and sin not imputed = justification

    Hence, imputation/justification is CONDITIONED upon "IF we believe upon him" - v. 24

    Imputation/justification FUTURE TENSE from faith "SHALL BE" imputed to us - v. 24

    Justification is by faith - 5:1

    The words "for our justification" tell us the PURPOSE of his resurrection not that it accomplished the justification as that would contradict the text before and after this text.
     
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    No I bring to light Truth within the context, Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !
     
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    Above is the Biblical evidence once more! The only response by SBM is to RUN from this text, JUMP to another text and then PIT scripture against scripture. When that fails him he then attacks the person presenting the evidence because the evidence exposes him for what he is - a deciever (1 Tim. 4:1-2).
     
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    Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !
     
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    Prove your interpretation of Verse 25 is consistent with verse 24 and Romans 5:1! If you cannot prove it, it is because you are perverting it. I can prove that my interpretation is consistent with its context.

    The difference between truth and error in regard to intepreting any verse in scripture is that the true interpretation ALWAYS harmonizes with the context it is found in. Your interpretation CONTRADICTS the immediate context.

    You RUN, JUMP and PIT because you are a false teacher who perverts the Word of God to suit your own ungodly belly!
     
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    The proof is here:

    No I bring to light Truth within the context, Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !
     
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    Prove that "for" does not refer to its PURPOSE rather than to its accomplishment?

    The verses before and after prove that "for" refers only to the purpose of the resurrection but not to its accomplishment - in order that we might be justified or as the verse before it says "SHALL BE" imputed IF we believe on him. Or as the verse that follows it talks about "BEING" justified "BY faith."

    The context proves that my interpetation of "for" is correct and yours is wrong!
     
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    No I bring to light Truth within the context, Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

    You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !
     
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