The KJV’s respect for God’s Words

Hello God's_Servant

Nice to hear from you.

You said.......

You know, you are correct.
“For all we know........”

Very few Christians living today, are fluent in the Greek and Hebrew, and even if they are, they were influence by their teachers.

This in itself, is a great reason to decide upon the KJV, over all those other Bibles.
Because the Christian theologians from the 1600's, were much more trustworthy, than the “Christian” theologians that are around today.
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The Bible predicts, that theologians, are going to get worse and worse, as the Lord’s return approaches......
2 Timothy 3:13
“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”

The KJV, was the Bible of choice by most Christians, for about 300 years.

For anyone to decide to trust today’s opinions, over yesterdays opinions, are ignoring this clear warning from Scripture.

 

Hello C4K

You said..........

First, this is not “a theory”: (Evolution, is a theory, but this is the Bible).
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And, in answer to your question, “Yes”.

Because at the time, that the Holy Spirit gave these words to Paul....
“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”
....There were already some deceivers around;
And with every passing year, mankind is getting more and more deceived.

 

Good morning C4K

You said........

Well I also, would never say, the KJV team were 'evil men and seducers;
But the Bible is clear, when it talks about the depravity of man increasing, as time goes by.

Someone who is regarded a great Christian theologian, of one generation, would not be so considered by a previous generation.

For instance, BB Warfield(1851-1921), is today by most people look upon as a Godly man:
But if someone with his ideas about the Bible, were around back in the 1700's or 1600's, he would have been considered a heretic.
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You also said..........

Not really.
This verse is true........
2 Timothy 3:13
“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.”

And I am simply applying it to this thread. (And it does apply!)
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You also asked........

That is a good question:
Here’s the answer..........
1John 5:7 (The Geneva Bible)
7 For there are thre, which beare recorde in heuen, the father, the worde, and the holie golt; and these thre are one.

1John 5:7 (The Bishop's Bible)
7 For there are three which beare recorde in heauen, the father, the worde, and the holy ghost, and these three are one.”

1John 5:7 (John Wycliffe’s Bible)
7 For thre ben, that yyuen witnessing in heuene, the Fadir, the Sone, and the Hooli Goost; and these thre ben oon.
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Although the KJV 1611, started out just like these other Bibles, over time the typo’s and misspelled words were corrected, and by 1769, it was almost identical to what we have today.

 

Hi C4K

You said.....

Well, if you put it that way YES!

The Bible is the Bible, it can never get any better or worse:
(But the Bible translated into another language, can be made better or worse.)

My argument is, that sure enough the English Bible had reached it’s apex, in the 1700's and 1800's, this is one of the explanations for all the GREAT revivals, English speaking peoples had, during this time.

But as we all know, Wescott & Hort struck a devastating blow to the English Bible in 1881, that started a downward trend, that brings us to today, when most Christians feel that they have to study more than one translation, to get to the truth.
(When all they really have to do, is study the KJV.)
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Next you said........

Well, this is what we have in the KJV.
Those who gave us the KJV, copied most of it, from previous ACCURATE English versions.
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You also asked........

ABSOLUTELY! God does and has preserved His Word.

But for some unknown reason, God also allows deceivers to deceive.
(Just like the 2 or 3 faulty manuscripts that Wescott & Hort put together, back in 1881
God could have see to it, that these manuscripts has been destroyed. BUT HE DIDN’T.

My opinion in this area, has to do with our free will:
Kind of the same reason, that the LORD put the tree of knowledge of good and evil, in the garden.

Each and every one of us, has to decide:
(Are we going to trust man’s wisdom or God’s wisdom?)
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Finally you asked........

You would think so, wouldn’t you.
But the “oldest Greek texts”, are the same ones that Wescott & Hort used.

The prevailing thought about this, is that these older manuscripts, were still around and
in good condition, because Nobody with any sense, read them!
(They were flawed, so they were just put on a shelf.)

Any good copies of the Bible, were studied and therefore didn’t last.

 

Hello God's_Servant

I like you, do not read Greek.
But the Greek is always on my mind.

But unfortunately there are two big questions that come up about the Greek......
(1) Which Greek are you talking about:
(The one used for the KJV or (The one used for every other version
-Although some other versions try to use both;-
I don’t think we should even be influenced by the other one!

(2) The other big question is; who’s opinion do we take, about what a Greek word means.
(Everyone seems to have an opinion these days.)
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Now this may seem like it paints a hopeless picture:
.......“How can we know what God’s Word says?”

Well I have decided to let “the Holy Spirit” answer this question for me.
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The first way that I do this, is by what has already been said in this thread:
(By trusting the English Bible, that millions of born again Christians trusted for hundreds of years.)
The KJV.

Every other versions, is a Johnny come lately, that has only had a few short years, to effect the Church.

But the KJV, had an effect upon the Church for about 300 years.
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You can look at this two ways:
(1) All these millions of Christians, were all stupid and were fooled into believing that the KJV, was actually God’s preserved Word:

or

(2) You can trust that the same Holy Spirit, that is in us, was in them, and gave them daily assurance that the Bible they were using was God’s Holy Word.
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Now Satan is tricky:
And he doesn’t care if we read the Bible, as long as we don’t fully trust what we read.....
“Yea, hath God said......?” Genesis 3:1

If he can place one doubt in our minds, about the Word of God, he has done his work.
Because the once powerful Word of God, that is there to teach us and to give us guidance and strengthen & build’s our faith.......
Now becomes just a book, of words that “might” by God’s Word.


This is a deadly serious subject!

 

Hello Trotter

I suppose the question you are talking about is.......

I am sorry, that you missed my answer.

I am so sure about the KJV, because of what it’s got, that the others don’t.
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When they first came out, the NIV(and a lot of the others), it totally removed Mark 16:9-20, because Wescott & Hort decided that this chapter should end at verse 8.

But then later(because they wanted to keep selling their Bibles), they put it back in.
(With a statement something like, “the best Greek manuscripts don’t have these verses”.)

Now, there are two things that bother me about this:
1) Removing or casting doubt upon words and verses in God’s Word:
2) Feeling free to remove and then put back, any verse they want.

The Bible isn’t something that anybody should feel free to edit.
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Above, God's_Servant talked about how great the Geneva Bible was, and I agree.

But every one of those “modern versions”, either totally remove or gut, 1John 5:7;
Yet the Geneva Bible, says precisely what the KJV says in 1John 5:7.

So what is going on here.
Are the “publishers” of the modern versions, going to tell us, what verses should be in our Bibles?!?!?

I think not.
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Therefore, what makes me so sure about the KJV 1769, is because it hasn’t changed in all these years.