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The Lie Of Evolution

Discussion in 'Creation vs. Evolution' started by OfLivingWaters, Apr 3, 2018.

  1. church mouse guy

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    So we can excuse Darwin's lack of scientific education except for medical school which he dropped out of after a year? Was Darwin right in saying that white people are a higher form of evolution?

    Darwin said that life began from a simple cell but we now know that scientifically the cell is exceedingly complex.

    The early geologists were not Christians? Where do you get that? Lyell, whom Darwin read as his primary source, was a lawyer and I think a deist. There were some English clergy who were good geologists but they were squeezed out by the rich from the geological societies. And, no, Christians always maintained a catastrophic global flood. Naturalist during the Enlightenment popularized Greek and Hindu thinking on evolution and deep time.
     
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    Theistic evolution from the last paragraph of "On the Origin of the the Species."




    The theory otherwise fails to explain evolution's source of information.
     
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    Yes, education is irrelevant. What he may or may not have said about the white race is also irrelevant.

    William Smith, a Christian discovered the layering of rocks and fossils. He later researched and produced a geological map of Britain.

    Baron Georges Cuvier, a Christian, described the rock layers near Paris. Along with Alexandre Brongniart, noticed that each formation had distinctly different fossils.

    The transmutationist Lamarck tried to use this evidence against Cuvier, but he held to his Christian beliefs. Cuvier proposed earlier antedivulian worlds because Cuvier realized thar the rock record was full of fossils of extinct organisms that would have never made it to Noah's Ark.

    Later Alcide d'Orbigny, a Christian, studied Jurassic fossils in the French Alps and formulated ten different stages and interpreted it as separate nonbiblical creations and floods. Continuing study, that later expanded to 27 separate creations and floods.

    Cuvier, d'Orbigny, etc couldn't reconcile what they discovered with a Biblical global flood and abandoned their efforts.

    These men created the field of biostratigraphy used today by the oil industry, the coal industry, etc to find resources.

    All of these men, Christians, discovered the evidence that disproved a global flood.
     
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    I have no real issue with theistic evolution. I have problems with literal interpretations of the Bible that conflict with evidence.

    As far a Darwin, in a letter to Joseph Hooker three years later he wrote this.

    "But I have long regretted that I truckled to public opinion and used the Pentateuchal term of creation, by which I really meant “appeared” by some wholly unknown process. It is mere rubbish thinking, at present, of the origin of life; one might as well think of the origin of matter."

    As far as there being no way for new information. That is false.

    Evolution myths: Mutations can only destroy information

    CB102: Mutations adding information

    How Evolution Works
     
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    Cuvier may have been a nominal Christian but in private he was not.

    As for William Smith, his work is admirable but my notes on his religious beliefs are at home so I will post on that issue later.

    Darwin was an expert on barnacles due to his keen powers of observation but his education in science was non-existent except for reading Lyell, who also was not much of a scientist. Darwin was a white racist and is the father of much of today's racism.

    It was the Christian preachers who stood against the men that you cited, all of whom you are saying are uniformatarians. True, the church was silent for a century but science overthrew deep time and evolution starting about 1961with Morris and Whitcomb. So the strata that Smith so carefully observed are now know to be the graveyard of the plant and animal life that died in the catastrophic global Genesis Flood 4300 years ago followed by an Ice Age of 700 years.
     
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    Evolution comes from the Greeks, not the Jews, and they got it from the Hindus, so we are looking at the religious beliefs of Hinduism as contrasted to the Revelation of The Holy Trinity.
     
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    Complete nonsense. Again, the global flood cannot account for the layering of fossils.
     
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    And Jesus was a retelling of Mithras, right? I'm sure you've heard someone spout that before.

    You can make all the half truth claims you want, but it has nothing to do with Darwin and scientific discoveries of the 19th, 20th & 21st centuries.

    The theory of evolution comes from biology, geology, paleontology.
     
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    Biology was silenced by DNA. Geology is as new as Darwin and has moved beyond Darwin. Paleontology was stymied when dinasour bones were found with soft tissue intact.

    Young Earth comes from Judaism and is in contrast to heathen beliefs in an old earth. The Greeks and Romans were pagan but they borrowed their ideas from the Hindus of India.

    One of the leading American evolutionists Harvard Professor Stephen Jay Gould said, "Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1850, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory."
     
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    Do you think the Noachian Flood was peaceful and tranquil? It rearranged the land mass into the current seven continents and caused the formation of the high mountains as well as sparking an Ice Age of 700 years. Where do you think that the oceans came from?
     
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    1. That is certainly true, and my point. For that matter, what else has or could TB become?

    2. I suppose you are familiar with how epigenetics has affected thinking about evolution? How more than 500 top scientists have recently completely abandoned evolution as an explanation for species?

    I don't know your knowledge of evolution, which must be at a very high level. I am busy, but have some background on the topic and we can discuss it some if you have questions. I won't argue, and I can't answer many questions, but sincere questions we can think about together.
     
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    False. Darwin did discover evolution. But what he discovered did not negate the creative acts in the 6 earth days recorded in Genesis 1 and on the 6th day in Genesis 2.
     
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    Well, not all, if any, supposed contractions between known science and literal readings of Holy Scripture are actual contradictions. I do not know of any.

    One place where the Holy Scripture allows for evolution is where it speaks, for example, ". . . after his kind . . . ," ". . . after their kind . . . ." Genesis 1:11-12; Genesis 1:21; Genesis 1:24-25.
     
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    That's not talking about evolution. It means firstly that dogs have puppies and cats have kittens. It also means secondly that horse is a kind and specific breeds of horses are still horses. It was recently ruled that an Australian dingo is not a dog, because the creature cannot be domesticated although genetically it may belong to the dog family.
     
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    HOGWASH! What you are implying is that Evolutions Create and NOT God.

    For your additional learning and Information:

    Science is studying the evolution of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) instead of Humans, who are the descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans.


    This is clear when you ask Evols to explain WHERE the first Human came from, since the only way in which Humans can pass the invisible intelligence of Adam, to another Human, is through the birthing process. Evols run, hide, call names, imply that anyone who asks this question is nuts, and claim there was no first Human and that magical evolution did it.

    NONE of them can produce ANY evidence of this event since Science is currently IGNORANT of the difference between Human and animal intelligence Today. They would have us believe that Apes evolved into Humans and that it happened 200k years ago.

    Evols also falsely CLAIM that long periods of time and numerous positive mutations produced Human intelligence in animals. No Evol refutes them because God has caught ALL of them in His Snare, which He set with the Flood. The Trap they are caught in is that they have been Falsely teaching Evolution for more than 50 years, that Humans evolved from animals, BECAUSE they have Rejected God's Truth of the Flood. Soon, they must DEFEND this Satanic Lie and the only defense they have is to be "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth. Here is God's Truth, which tells of this debate, with the Scoffers in the last days.

    2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
    2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed totally)


    Here is the origin of the sons of God (prehistoric people) who were created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, as commanded by God some 3.77 Billion years ago, in man's time. Science AGREES that our cells cannot survive without liquid water and that’s why we seek liquid water on other planets to see if they have the possibility of life form or not. We find the bones of prehistoric people all the way back to the time when they diverged from Chimps some 6 Million years ago.

    Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

    Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day

    Adam's direct descendant, Noah, arrived on our Earth, some 11k years ago and Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to him. History agrees and odd man out is the False ToE which is "willingly ignorant" 2Pe 3:5 of our true Human origins. You can read of the sexual compatibility of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Adam's descendants in Genesis 6:1-4.

    Prehistoric people were just like today's Humans and they moved and had their origin in water EXACTLY as Scripture and Science tell us. Science calls this appearance of life from water a "Natural" happening, but God shows that it was all a part of His Creation.

    What the posting shows is that this False Teaching of the ToE is NOT true, and supposes things which have No data to support their False Assumptions. That's because Humans are the descendants of Adam and Adam's superior intelligence MUST be inherited sexually and CANNOT happen by chance mutation and long periods of time as Evolutionism falsely preaches.
     
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    I know it had nothing to do with what you claim as it never happened on a global scale.

    Sedimentologists study major floods. In every major flood they find course-grained deposits of sand, gravel and boulders from the fast water stage a flood. Once the flood recedes, it only leaves one kind of deposit.. a single layer of mud.

    This layering should be found across the globe in the same layer if there was a global flood. It does not exist. The Grand Canyon is the perfect place to observe this. You can see layers upon layers of shale, sandstone alternating. Not seen are the layering of a single huge flood encompassing the canyon. Instead there are hundreds of small floods.

    Another example showing a global flood never happened is in the road cuts just outside the Answers in Genesis creation museum. This one is my favorite, because it is right under their nose.

    Visible from the road there are coral preserved in life position sticking out of the cuts that were buried. Above them, more coral and burying. Then more coral. This shows instead of a catastrophic flood, coral lived and was buried in a shallow seafloor. More coral grew on top of that layer and then was eventually buried, a process repeating over and over. It is quite a joke amongst geologists that exposed evidence is right near this "museum".
     
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    You display a profound ignorance of science that I have rarely seen matched. Before you start saying what scientists claim you should actually put down the keyboard, head to the library and open a book. And not one from some creationist hack as they often lie.
     
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    Were you able to go to the Creation Museum? I got there for a few hours and am determined to for back for a day soon. Four million people have been there.
     
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    HOGWASH!
    What you have is nothing but BLUFF and lots of Evol's speculations without data or hard evidence.

    Not being content with this definition, Evols have taken a step beyond descent with modification and entered the world of Religion by teaching that Humans evolved from the common ancestor of Apes. With NO evidence these men, who have rejected God's Truth, have now taught this Lie for more than 50 years in the Public Schools of the United States. Below is the evidence that the ToE is a Lie.

    True Science teaches that we evolve from our parents, but Evolutionism teaches that we can magically change from animal to Human intelligence APART from the method in which we inherit everything else, and that is through the birth process.

    Evols speculate that long gradual periods of time and numerous positive mutations changed animals into Humans. This is the Lie which cannot be supported Scientifically, and which is ruining our children today.

    True Science agrees with Scripture and shows that APART from the birthing process, there is NO way to inherit the unique Human intelligence which only God and Adam have. Gen 3:22... God's Holy Word also tells us HOW and WHEN prehistoric people became Humans. Gen 6:1-4

    History shows that prehistoric people SUDDENLY began Farming, City Building, Math, Writing, and EVERY other Human trait, some 10k years ago in Northern Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Human Civilization on this Planet. It's because the FIRST Humans had arrived in the mountains of Ararat and walked into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia and the rest is the History of Humanity on this Earth.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsou...lemap.html
     
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