That depends on how you view the bible. If you view it as the inspired, infallible word of God then the case is iron clad. If you don't consider it inspired and infallible you will reject the plain statements and "spiritualize" it into nonsense. I am of the former persuasion. :)
The Most Asked Question During Ordination Exam
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Deacon, Oct 11, 2017.
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There are messengers (αποστολος) who were not part of The Twelve, it is The Twelve who will have their names on the twelve foundations of the Heavenly Jerusalem.
Paul was not one of "The Twelve" as he did not meet the criteria Peter iterated in Acts 1.
Paul says he was a messenger, sent from God, with a specific message (the gospel) to a specific people (gentiles). He makes that very clear in Romans 1:1 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be a messenger, set apart for the Good News of God."
In fact he says the same thing over and over.
1 Corinthians 1:1 Paul, called to be a messenger of Jesus Christ through the will of God.
1 Corinthians15:9 For I am the least of the messengers, who is not worthy to be called a messenger, because I persecuted the assembly of God.
Galatians 1:1 Paul, a messenger (not from men, nor through man, but through Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead),
Ephesians 1:1 Paul, a messenger of Christ Jesus through the will of God, to the saints who are at Ephesus, and the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Colossians 1:1 Paul, a messenger of Christ Jesus through the will of God, and Timothy our brother,
1 Timothy 2:7 to which I was appointed a preacher and a messenger (I am telling the truth in Christ, not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.
2 Timothy 1:11 For this, I was appointed as a preacher, a messenger, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
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The word “glossa” is the language of a nation.
There is no “unknown” tongue.
It is a very sad translation that puts “unknown” in the English.
1 Corinthians 13, “If I speak using the languages of the world, or speak the language of the angels,...”
1 Corinthians 14, “One who speaks the language speaks to God ...”
The point is BOTH are known languages to the listeners.
When the people were spreading the gospel on the day of Pentecost, they were not using gibberish, but each heard the message in the language of their homeland.
Readers, be very careful to not slip into accepting the modern thinking concerning “unknown tongues” as the charismatic folks teach.
Such does not stand up to Scripture scrutiny.
Caveat:
When in private prayer, it is private. It is between two - God and that person.
Should that person be in such earnestness that they appear as did Samuel’s mom, it is no ones business.
Who cares the language used at that time. It is private, it is “closeted” and it is an actual language. It is not for the public, not to be used in public gatherings, and any who claim differently are unsupported by Scripture. -
Here's just a bit from my handout on Matthew 4 - Re: The temptation of Jesus:
Doctrine – Could Jesus have sinned?
The Hypostatic Union
The union of the Divine and human natures in the One Person of Jesus Christ. “Both natures are necessary for redemption. As a man, Christ could represent man and die as a man; as God the death of Christ could have infinite value “sufficient to provide redemption for the sins of the world.’” Paul P. Enns, The Moody Handbook of Theology (Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1989), 228.
It is important to realize that in order for the redemptive nature of Christ to be adequate, both natures must remain at one hundred percent each. To make him more human than God would eradicate his being able to remain blameless. And to make him more God than human would eradicate his ability to completely self-identify with those He came to save. (borrowed from 'Why is the Hypostatic Union of Christ Necessary?' [link])
Through his becoming human, he was able to identify with humanity (Hebrews 2:9) and give his life as a sacrifice for all (9:12), so that all those who would believe in him can enter into a new relationship with God that is eternal in nature (Romans 5:2). His sacrifice for all could not have been accomplished in any other way.
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Certainly.
Paul records what was seen as unspeakable.
John wrote down what he saw in the Revelation.
The way some would interpret the statements of Christ is that the return had to actually occur within a certain time line, however an interpretation may also allow for the statements to be taken as to be seen (revealed) to them in their lifetime.
“Seen” is not always taken as that actually witnessed as occurring.
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God has already said that we should submit to those in authority over us.
I'd obey God.
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But normally a council is not in authority - they are simply an advisory board - esp if they are pastors from sister churches. -
The council is given the task of examining a candidate for ordination.
On every certificate of ordination I’ve seen they’ve signed their names.
It is upon their recommendation that a candidate is ordained.
I’d tread carefully before thumbing my nose at a recomendation not to ordain.
That being said, there are plenty of Christians in positions of worth that have never been ordained.
It is another path that the candidate could take - and perhaps what TC had in mind
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