I showed you by your own commentary! You atttribute faith to the believer and his renewed mind not to God in his CREATION work of giving a new heart.
You are teaching that the elect received an UNBELIEVING new heart and therefore is no better than their old heart.
You are teaching the new heart must yet believe and thus is given, created in UNBELIEF! That is precisely why you demand faith is a work of man rather than the work of God.
The mind is continually in need of renewal but not so with the new heart - it is created in true holiness and righteousness and in faith and that is precisely why the mind can be renewed daily.
The Natue of Faith in Romans 3:24-5:2
Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by The Biblicist, Aug 1, 2012.
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26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Thats Faith, being caused to walk in God's statues, meaning to become a Believers amd walk by Faith.
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Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
You are making the direct opposite conclusion that Paul makes here. His conclusion is that JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH is "WITHOUT THE DEEDS" = works of the Law while you conclusion is that justification by faith is works and thus you accuse Paul of concluding that Justification by faith is works. -
And since After God giving this New Heart, one is caused to walk in His Statues, of which one is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, then Jesus is the cause or Author of this Faith.
The Word Author in Heb 12:2 is the greek word archēgos made up of Two Words one of which is: archē which means:
that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause
So that is one of the Ways He is the Author of ones Faith, because of His Blood shed of the Covenant, which gives the New Heart to believe with ! -
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23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
Also Paul commanded the Philippian Jailor to Believe here Acts 16:31
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Check the greek, I assure you its a imperative here, which is a command !
Both Acts 16:31 and 1 Jn 3:23 are in aorist tense !
So you teach against Paul in the very verse you present here !
The difference in you and I in the verse Rom 3:28, you take faith there to be causative of Justification, I see it there being receptive of a established Truth that was already a Reality in the Mind of God ! -
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The consequences for not producing fruit or daily cleansing is disciplinary actions whereby the Lord cuts off the branch and they experience a dried up life that brings them into temporal condemnation by men. -
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Where there is no regeneration there is no justification and progressive sanctification is the product of regeneration (Eph. 2:10) not the product of justification.
Our works avail nothing (no temporal blessings or eternal rewards) if they do not originate from love but they have nothing to do with obtaining either justification or regeneration. Indeed, we are "glorified" completely before we even stand before the Lord proving that our works have nothing to do with obtaining a glorified state. -
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Regardless, you directly contradict Paul when you say faith IS works when He denies faith "of works." -
Our walk to oplease him and be reqarded for good works that we choose to walk in Him and do, while their walk at the end is to see IF saved or not! -
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SBM's response is absurd because "justified by faith" must be interpeted in response to what it is contextually contasted with - "justified by works". This very contrast proves "by faith" cannot possibly be interpreted to be of works simply because that would demand there is no contrast at all. -
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Here again is the indisputable evidence you are wrong - Romans 3:28 contrasts justification "by faith" with justification by works "deeds" and thus the contrast demands that "faith" cannot possibly be "of works" or else no contrast can be made between them! You are making Paul's contrast utter foolishness because you are denying such a contrast exists when Paul plainly and explicitly states it does exist.
So, since you cannot intelligently respond to these facts. Since you cannot exegetically respond to to the clear and obvious contrast between "faith" and "deeds" in Romans 3:28 you simply act like a senseless parrot who repeats what has been utterly proven to be false and oxymoronic rationale. -
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QUESTIONS:
1. What is being directly contrasted to justification by "deeds" here?
2. If "faith" is placed in direct contrast to "deeds" then how can faith be of deeds without making Pauls words utterlly meaningless in this text?
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
QUESTION: Again Paul contrasts justification "by the works" to justification "by the faith" so how can "faith" be OF WORKS without destroying this contrast?
The words "by the faith of Jesus Christ" is an objective genitive and means "by the kind of faith which has Jesus Christ for its object." Absolute contextual proof of this is the very next explanatory word "EVEN" followed by the explanation "we have believed IN Jesus Christ, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED...."
SBM would have to reverse this explanation by Paul and read it this way, "we have been justiifed by Christ's faith THAT WE MIGHT BELIEVE IN jesus Christ."
Hence, SBM would require prior justification in order for us to believe in Jesus Christ.
However, Paul says the very reverse! He says "we have believed in Jesus Christ, that WE MIGHT BE justified....."
Another clear evidence that we are justified by faith in Christ is Paul's repeated words "the just shall live BY FAITH." In context, it is always the gospel that is in view in regard to this quotation by Paul in the New Testament. The term "just" means "justified" and thus "the Justified." The term "live" refers to the life promised in the gospel or JUDICIAL LIFE granted through imputation of the legal righteousness of Christ to those who believe in the gospel which is imputed "by faith."
This quotation is NEVER used of progressive sanctification but of life by faith judicially or by justification.
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