In another thread Biblicist wrote:So, Biblicist denies that God decreed or designed for mankind to lose their ability to respond as a result of the fall. No doubt he does this because he denies 'double predestination' or 'Supralapsarianism.'
In this view, Biblicist attempts to maintain that mankind is condemned because of their sin, not God choosing, but how does that work with the Calvinistic application of Jacob and Esau?
Weren't they chosen for salvation and reprobation PRIOR to doing good or evil? How do you answer this?
The OTHER major mistake of Calvinism
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Skandelon, Jan 1, 2014.
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Given the Infralapsarian viewpoint espoused....
"Sin" and it's "nature" is presented as though it's some fait-accompli of nature that God has no control over.
That particular brand of Calvinism pretends that the curse of sin and the ensuing inability to do right is some "Law" that God had absolutely no influence over...
Men fell from grace (not God's doing)
Since men fell, they inherited a nature irreparably always disposed towards evil (again, God had nothing to do with it)
They treat the curse for sin as some "fact of life" that God had nothing to do with.
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A bit of help offered to us old timers, and to keep the casual and causal reader informed, here is a quick guide of the topics on this thread. It presents in chart form the essence of each view and a very concise explanation.
Notes on Supralapsarianism, Infralapsarianism, Amyraldism and Arminianism.
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God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are not constrained by time and distance.
The end is as just as known as the beginning and just as present with God.
That He chooses to constrict humans to a linear progression (or digression) is as He appoints. He can back up time as easily as He can skip over time. -
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Biblicist argues that it is God own choice NOT to enable the lost to do anything but rebel against His Word (to leave them in their fallen state) that results in their continued rejection of His own Gospel no matter the unlimited reach of the Gospel going into ALL the World and God's own WILL that "all men should come to repentance".
Biblicist's view still makes God the cause of His own lament.
in Christ,
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The Calvinist argument cannot stop itself from making that mistake.
in Christ,
Bob