Tom, it started out as a civil war. However, Moscow took a hand in it and turned it into something else. Now, it is more like Britain sent a few regiments and a naval squadron to aide the Confederacy during the ACW.
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The Reality of Nazi Influence in Ukraine
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Tom, when have I sourced Fox on this topic? I've used DW and other European sources. One issue is the MSM has de-platformed RT and other Kremlin sources.
I just read your OP. Okay, I won't make that mistake again.
Fox is not equivalent to RT. RT is a branch of the Russian government. It's like the BBC, RFE, or VoA.
I thought that this site was fairly well done (with a few caveats).
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/03/10/how-obama-and-biden-installed-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/?fbclid=IwAR0IqkzuXhL0LxNtv5aZYbwfPaVXh1wt-CDVZS-7X1o7y5TM-BMCyApHIIQ
NOTE: I am taking a break from sharing RT links. Many people here refuse to read past the first two letters.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022/03/10/how-obama-and-biden-installed-neo-nazis-in-ukraine/?fbclid=IwAR0IqkzuXhL0LxNtv5aZYbwfPaVXh1wt-CDVZS-7X1o7y5TM-BMCyApHIIQ
NOTE: I am taking a break from sharing RT links. Many people here refuse to read past the first two letters.
Our media outlets (mostly), whether you believe it or not, are branches of the US government. But this would be a thread in itself.
The difference is RT is open about its relationship with the Kremlin. It also gets direct funding from the Kremlin. RT (TV network) - Wikipedia
The Unz.Review (a Western source) has a good article on the topic of this thread.
"Readers should take a minute to savor Washington’s duplicity on this matter, after all, while the Biden administration and the entire MSM was denouncing the January 6 protestors as “racists” and “white supremacists”, the US government was busy arming and training “white crusader” Nazis to carry out its war on Russia. "
Several of the comments from readers are also pretty insightful.
Uncle Sam's Nazi Warriors
"Readers should take a minute to savor Washington’s duplicity on this matter, after all, while the Biden administration and the entire MSM was denouncing the January 6 protestors as “racists” and “white supremacists”, the US government was busy arming and training “white crusader” Nazis to carry out its war on Russia. "
Several of the comments from readers are also pretty insightful.
Uncle Sam's Nazi Warriors
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I would say it is both a civil war and an international one, a recent Russian invasion on top of a years-long Ukrainian incursion into the two breakaway republics in the east.
Neither the incursion nor the invasion were justified.
The two eastern "republics" have IIRC always been a part of Ukraine. Though they have a large population of ethnic Russians. Crimea though was given to Ukraine in the 50s by Kruschev.
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War on Russia? Oh brother.
No, this is not correct. What is now Ukraine was, before Napoleon, divided among three powers: the Ottoman Empire, Poland-Lithuania-Saxony, and Muscovy-Rus, After 1815 it was almost all part of the Russian Empire. That Empire extended westward all the way through Transnistrian-Moldava. (BTW, this division of Moldavia is still obvious. We rode a train through that country. As we came through Transnistria the signs were all in Cyrillic).
Tom, I will remind you that I've been a part of the local Soviet EC-B community for over 30 years. I know my Russian geography a lot better than most Americans.
Then you know that arguing political correctness on geography is a tricky thing. One could say that the US has usurped Texas and California from Mexico. The real issue here is the people of a region and after the American-assisted coup of the Ukrainian government the two easternmost regions opted to reassess their relation with Russia and also to become independent entities.