The Sovereignty of God

Unfortunately, Calvinists Christians are not going to be able to come up with more bonified saints than Arminian Christians would be able to locate or identify. If you want to say it this way fine with me. God is not doing too well considering only 2-3% being saved. 'Few there be that find it.' God calls all to repentance; only a few open their lives to Jesus.

 

That's the biggest lie I've ever heard. What else could Paul have said??? I mean, he was struck blinde to his knees!!! How foolish such a statement then becomes. Here's what Paul said:

1. God set him apart from his mother's womb and called him and saved him by His grace when it pleased Him (Gal. 1:15).

2. God's power was effectual in converting him (Eph. 3:7). Hence, "effectual" calling of the saints.

 

pinoybaptist,

You said, ' . . . many will be saved because of His mercy.' What you forgot to say that your faith submits is that 'the majority will be escorted to Hell because of His alleged, autocratic, selection and sovereignty and right to portray the vindictive nature of the Lord. Right?

Respectfully,

Dr. Berrian

 

pinoybaptist,

As we both know and agree, the Triune God knows exactly just how many people will finally be saved.

 

You should really quit this thinking of yours whereby you place percentage limits on how many people God will save, Ray, and characterizing God as failing. You are coming across as extremely pessimistic. I urge you to spend some time reading some of Charles Spurgeon's sermons. They might give you a more hopeful attitude toward evangelism.

God, not man, is sovereign.

Ken
A Happy Spurgeonite
www.spurgeon.org

 

Ken Hamilton,

God is not failing at recruiting men and women into His Kingdom. We believe He died for everyone. He has done all that He can do. The problem is with man. He is depraved and selfish and does not respect the calling of God toward himself. Human beings determine their own final destiny.

Charles Spurgeon is not an uplift into the upper spiritual realm. Indeed, he has much good to say by way of spiritual truth, but he believed that God decreed the lost to Hell. And as we remember from Matt. 7:14 that the majority will not make it into the Presence of God, unless you believe they can get there other than through the atonement of Jesus and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

In some ways I am sure that he is correctly called, 'The Prince of Preachers.' but his theology was off the scope . . .

 

Ray, you have such a poor conception of God. Your "God" is too small.

Fortunately for man, God will save as many as He has purposed to save.

Ken
A Happy Spurgeonite
www.spurgeon.org

 

Ken Hamilton,

Is your god bigger than mine, one who allegedly, in eternity past chose only a certain number of elect ones? The ideas don't even hold together. No one has any idea why He allegedly chose His people.

God is bigger than to limit His number of people who will live with Him forever. We teach clearly that He made a way possible for everyone. What sinners do with Christ and His message is up to them.

We are not 'Secular Humanists' as you in error believe. Most if not all of those men are not Christians. We have beliefs about God that makes sense. But, then we will all be judged for our correct or incorrect instruction of the faith of Jesus.

 

I do ... He chose us to be to the praise of the glory of his grace.

 

Ray said no one has any idea why He allegely chose His people.

Eph.1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
Eph.1:5 having predistined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
Eph.1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

by His Grace
mike

 

Pastor Larry,

What about those poor souls who the Lord allegedly deems victims of Hell? He is so secretive about it that He has not even told 'His servants the prophets.' This should tell Calvinists something.

 

I guess I was tired and mis-spoke myself. I know why God's people have a place in the Kingdom. We are to His praise. I was thinking about the majority of the lost. There is no plausible reason why God would choose to damn the majority of the world population of all time.

 

He didn't. Those that are lost damn themselves by sin.

Ken
A Spurgeonite
www.spurgeon.org

 

pinoybaptist,

God does not have decrees that He ever placed in motion that wills the salvation of the 'few' and also the damnation of the majority.

This is what makes the rejection of grace so terrible. God provided salvation for all. God is not diminished in His reality, just because depraved, human beings continue to reject His offer. Nothing that I could ever say, or anyone else, could diminish the greatness and perfections of Almighty God.

If you are wrong, you and others have taught that God rejects the majority of humanity and loves only His elect, this then becomes the most terrible thing that anyone could ever attribute the the Living God, especially, if He died for every living human being. I wonder if people are in Hell today, because they heard that God only elects who He desires. Maybe the Devil whispered in their ear, "You're undesireable and He probably doesn't want you." Just a thought.

If we are wrong, we merely suggested that God is more magnanimous that He really is in relationship to human beings.

We too, believe in free grace and should never be classified as humanists. We also believe all of the orthodox doctrines and views of Christianity.

 

Victims of hell?? I am confused. People who go to hell do so because of their sin. They are victims only of their bad choices. I am not sure what this should tell the Calvinists. YOu will have to explain.

 

Ken Hamilton,

The majority didn't damn themselves; they never had the option of everlasting life with God, according to your thinking. God made the all-wise choice for all of those poor, lost sinners.