The upside of abortion

Biblical illiterates in our pulpits.

Bro Tony

 

Craziness - it would be just as logical to advocate the murder of babies who are born to lost mothers so they could be in heaven.

 

um ... the murder of Jesus??? That certainly had an upside ... While aborted babies are in heaven, IMO, that does not justify their murder. This sounds like a dumb thing to say, especially from the pulpit.

 

Gina, I don't know what you were listening to, the radio, television or sermon in a church. But I would caution you about the radio shows you may be listening to. There are some real loo loos on the radio. Remember they purchase time and are only loosely monitored, emphasis on loosely. Try to stay with stations that air Swindoll or David Jeremiah, the other speakers will fall into the same category as these two reliable ministries. I have seen some good stuff and bad stuff on TBN. Larry Hutch has a bad presentation that aired last month 20 times about curses and generational curses and he was just plain wrong. A lot of "preachers" are itinerate, self educated, not graduates of theology or seminary. That makes a big difference on interpretation and presentation. If you were in a church and heard that remark, run girl run!! Find another church! But don't judge all the Baptists congregations on this experience. You want the preacher that grieves for the mother's delima and enlists his congregation to help her make the right decision and support. We are to help the widow, and in a way the unwed mother is a widow, and to help the orphans, that baby is also an orphan. Good luck Gina, don't let one nut case push you out of the boat.

 

Who are you listening to?

 

From the portion of the context you share, at least the preacher did not use sccripture to try and back such a statement up. Wish I had the whole context.

Just an opinion and they are like noses, we all have on.

Then again, if we choose to look at the statement and ask ourselves what could it mean other than what I want it to (because I am not a fan of this preacher right now), we might get a whole context of something worthwhile.

witness

 

Heavenly Father, we pray that you will open our eyes to more than just the shortfalling ways of some of our brethren but help us to see Jesus our Rock and how the church is founded on That Rock that shall never be moved; and help us Lord to bear our part of the task in keeping Your Church what you want it to be.

 

To be honest, The only way I would agree with such a preacher would be if he was referring to his own children, more people have been destroyed spiritually by being parented by those who play fast and loose with Scriptural truth, and who use their "call" to justify offensive and innaproriate behavior than by a woman who would consider an abortion.

Furthermore, is there any Biblical support that those babies will be in heaven?

David talks about going to his infant son who died, but is that enough to base doctrine on? it is after all from a narrative passage.

David also says "...in sin did my mother conceive me"

I tend to agree with you Gina, I continue to be shocked and saddened by many who would like to call themselves Baptists.

 

Is abortion the unforgivable sin? NO. I still think the women could be saved by God if they are part of the elect.

If I were prince of the planet, would I make abortion illegal and charge the mother with capital murder? Yep. In the end, she is no better than a common criminal who murdered her baby, and deserves to be executed for her crimes, IMO.

Do Christians keep lost people from going to heaven? I don't think so. I believe that those whom God has predestined will go to heaven, and those who aren't won't.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Not to railroad this post but here is a good article by Albert Mohler on what happens to infants when they die.

http://www.sbts.edu/mohler/FidelitasRead.php?article=fidel036

Even though an aborted child goes to heaven, there is no excuse for abortion. That would be like saying, the best way to evangelse the world would be to kill all of the children that way they would all go to heaven. We all know that is absurd.

 

A woman should be executed for her "crime" ???????

Then the man should be held accountable for assault with a deadly weapon. Isn't that currently punishable by 3-5 yrs in prison?

We are now compeltely off the thread here. Gina is troubled by comments "such as the one she heard" needing to talk about discernment when hearing or choosing a pastor to lead.

 

JLE

I see you have migrated over here from the Baptist Life board. You may like this board better, but you wont have many fighting with you over here - so you might get bored (unless you like to get into the KJVO fights) I hope I continue to see you over at Baptist Life, they need a different POV over there.

 

Gina,

I would suggest that you still tell that preacher what you thought and felt about it. You don't have to do it in person. Write a note. I believe that part of the grace and love we are to give to our brothers and sisters in Christ includes helping them to have an opportunity to take responsibility for sin.

 

Do you think the number you are thinking of (those who have been destroyed) is "more" than the number of children murdered through the process of abortion? I believe it is something like 1.5 million per year, on average, since 1973. In the neighborhood of 46.5 million children murdered.

What is the scriptural truth you speak of for this issue concerning the Pastor's words?

[ July 27, 2004, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: jle ]

 

Hi JimmyC,

I won't be going back there.

I don't need the fight but do enjoy the engaging discourse. One of the reasons I hung out there is because I was forum boxing with those guys since the early to mid 90's on SBC.net (now gone away).

Personally I don' think I should have been banned for posting a direct quote from a web site, the moderator (one of them) was applauding, which glorified drunkeness.

But then, It's his web site, he can do what he wants. He can have a link to a web site that glorifies drunkeness (even if it is at the choice of a forum member, to a point) then ban someone for mentioning it.

I think it was a God move for me personally. He did what needed to be done to get me out of there.

Enjoy,

jle

Edited to remove name.

[ July 27, 2004, 02:14 PM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]

 

If I read the post correctly, it was the pastor's implication that a woman who was in a situation where she would consider an abortion is an unfit parent who would condemn her child to a life of godlessness.

I happen to believe that scripturally, even the son or daughter of an unfit parent who is a vile sinner has hope of salvation. At least I like to think my kids have a chance

The other issue scripturally is the actual destination of aborted babies

This quote was an example of a preacher who shoots his mouth off with no adherance to reasoned, responsible exegesis of the Word.

 

abortion to me is a sin,and I am totally against it. but if a woman chooses to do so, the baby will go to heaven i believe. she can be forgiven if she wants to give her life to christ. the only thing that you cannot be forgiven for is blasphmy.