It does not matter who is at got questions...he got this basic definition correct.
I use the 1689 confession of faith and it does not read as you write here.
Also I have heard Dr.White teach on these things in person and know what he means on these things.
It is clear you desire to twist and distort what is taught by your own warped logic which is at odds with the confessional statement as well as Dr Whites teaching.
The difference is we know God is not the author of sin which you desire to ascribe to Him.
Your twisted ideas are not going to get far here.
The Willingness of men
Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by MB, Sep 15, 2021.
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Here is the actual wording before you pervert it;
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In your first thought you imply (if) that God chose.
Then you switch and turn God into a passive, impotent being, who has no clue to whom He is giving a gift. Instead, God has a gift that He cannot give...until that smart and crafty human chooses Him over all other gods. Once that smart and crafty human chooses YHWH, then...and only then...can God actually give that smart and crafty human the gift He has for that smart and crafty human.
You have a wimpy god who, while having an inkling of who might positively react to him, is impotent to act until the human chooses his gift rather than another god's gift.
Moreso, and this is very important, the Bible NEVER teaches what you have stated. Instead, you have a few sentences, plucked out of context, that you throw into a blender to create your own flavor of salvation. It is time for you to put away childish things and grow in your knowledge of God. (I speak as one who held your false view for many, many years and had to repent before God for cheapening His gracious gift while lifting my self to a position I never held.) -
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Paul laid out the position in his entire letter to the Romans where he destroys free will philosophy from start to finish. Read the whole letter. Memorize the whole letter. Submit to what Paul, by inspiration of God, tells you. You will abandon your current position when you do this. -
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God chose his children before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1) and predestined them to redemption (Ephesians 1, Romans 8 - 11). God looked upon us in the deadness of our sins and chose to make us alive, give us faith and ordain good works for us to do (Ephesians 2).
You presented God as having a free gift, which he places down, says "Get your free gift here" and then waits for anyone smart enough to choose him. That's a wimpy god, who doesn't have the Supreme authority to act according to his own directive and save those who by nature are unwilling.
Romans 8:5-7
For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. -
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Calvinism seems to assume that if humans had free will to choose, that God would not be able to foresee those free will decisions and choose those people for a deliverance that He would prepare in advance for them.
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