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Theologian N.T. Wright's Reaction to Bin Laden's Death.
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I did not read all of it but there are several items that should be questioned, if we ever will know the truth is another question.
Should we send teams with "Kill Orders"? Should we go into another country? Should we kill unarmed? Should we do a lot of things we are doing right now?
Which shot was first, in the torso or the head? If in the torso was the head shot needed or was it to carry out the kill order? Will we know? Was there an autopsy?
Might even dream up some more if I scratched my head.
Should we send teams with "Kill Orders"? Should we go into another country? Should we kill unarmed? Should we do a lot of things we are doing right now?
Which shot was first, in the torso or the head? If in the torso was the head shot needed or was it to carry out the kill order? Will we know? Was there an autopsy?
Might even dream up some more if I scratched my head.
Tom Bryant
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I read it and think "Who cares what he thinks?" Maybe you do, but he led the attack on the US, he was in a country that had given him a free pass for all those years and could not be trusted to carry out an attack or keep an atttack secret. Any other country in the world would have done the same thing.
As far as American exceptionalism... he's right we are exceptional!
N.T. Wright is a flaming heretic. What do I care what he thinks?
He's one of the most respected evangelicals in the world. You can disagree with him, but he's not a heretic.
poncho
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OBL led the attacks? You got hard evidence to prove this allegation? If you do you got more than the FBI because it admitted not having enough to even indict him on this charge.
Maybe if we put our emotions in check for a while an researched a few facts we wouldn't be a nation so easily led around by the nose by the people who profit from all these wars and cold blooded murders.
Assuming OBL was even alive at the time of his alleged murder of course. You got any hard evidence that proves he was? Like where's the body?
I believe Wright is right and a hundred wrongs doesn't equal one right.
Government sanctioned murder is what many of you here old enough to remember the cold war most likely railed against when the communists were doing it. Either we have very short memories of ourselves and our own recent history or we have whole heartedly adopted the double standard as being an honorable trait amongst ourselves. From what I have witnessed here lately it looks like both.
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Crucified in Christ
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Can a respected man not also be a heretic?
It was a double tap done by a skilled and well trained professional.
I would say that the center mass shot was first, then the head shot. That's the way it's normally done.
Crucified in Christ
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I think that it is nonsense.
Nations have acted outside of their own borders in order to deal with significant problems. When they do, they are criticized for it. They accept it and move on...the very thing that the United States will do here. Going into Pakistan was a necessity given the desire to get Bin Laden. They could not deal with the ISI. One word to the ISI and OBL would have been long gone.
Bishop Wright is absolutely entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to disagree with him. That said I have the utmost respect for Wright as he is one of the three top evangelical (though he likely would not refer to himself as such) theologians in the new millennium.
Wright's point comes from a different perspective (a new perspective perhaps...lol) than ours. Just like other within the international community he is concerned with matters we otherwise would not be worried about.
Honestly I' surprised by the reaction. Many people had problems with how the US approached this. Personally I think at some point, when the "host" country is known to be uncooperative with handling the fellow you have the license to cross their borders and sent him to his eternal fate. This guy cause so much damage amongst people I believe it was absolutely the right call.
Wright's point comes from a different perspective (a new perspective perhaps...lol) than ours. Just like other within the international community he is concerned with matters we otherwise would not be worried about.
Honestly I' surprised by the reaction. Many people had problems with how the US approached this. Personally I think at some point, when the "host" country is known to be uncooperative with handling the fellow you have the license to cross their borders and sent him to his eternal fate. This guy cause so much damage amongst people I believe it was absolutely the right call.
poncho
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So we've thrown all our founding prinicples to the wind and anything goes now. This is the hallmark of dictatorships not a constitutional republic. But then again when it comes to feeling safe we Americans will accept all manner of tyrannies. That's been soundly proven over and over in the last 10 years.
Constitutionalists have long known that rights flow directly from God; they are not "given" by government. The Declaration of Independence acknowledges as “self-evident” that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Those Founding Fathers fought against the British view that rights could be canceled because they resided far from the mother land. They fought a war to secure rights as “unalienable” — inseparable gifts from God. Then the Founders ratified a Constitution that protected — not “gave” — the rights Americans already possessed from God. The Bill of Rights was added immediately afterward — not to dole out rights, but — to limit the Federal government and prevent it from infringing on rights the people already possessed.
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In another thread I said we as a nation were ready to accept a dictatorship but I was only half convinced of this when I typed it but as I read through the replies in this thread I am wholly convinced.
I guess thou shalt not murder doesn't apply anymore which doesn't surprise me all that much when concidering the lawless government we've had for the last several years now but to hear Christians and most especially American Christians lending their consent to cold blooded murder is altogether another matter.
In another thread I explianed how ashamed I am to be counted amongst the ranks of today's Christians who think nothing of the double standards they boldly display day in and day out but this here takes the cake.
I am not ashamed of Christ in the least but I am now thoroughly ashamed of having to be counted amongst those who profess to have the living God residing in their hearts.
The world wouldn't know it by looking at us and listening to us. Right now I'm trying to decide whether I can continue to associate with you "good God fearing folks" on BB at all anymore. Not because I have been ridiculed and scorned in the past for not holding to the same putrified principles most of you seem to have adopted but because I feel I am becoming tainted by my association with you all.
We have truely become that which we hate.
Not all of you are this way but there are enough here to make it look as though all of us are of the same mind. This may very well be my last post on this board which will no doubt make some of you "good " people very happy.
My good friend Salty is right and he helped me to see the light. Thank you Salty my good freind!
Maybe you'll see me here tomorrow and maybe you won't.
Constitutionalists have long known that rights flow directly from God; they are not "given" by government. The Declaration of Independence acknowledges as “self-evident” that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Those Founding Fathers fought against the British view that rights could be canceled because they resided far from the mother land. They fought a war to secure rights as “unalienable” — inseparable gifts from God. Then the Founders ratified a Constitution that protected — not “gave” — the rights Americans already possessed from God. The Bill of Rights was added immediately afterward — not to dole out rights, but — to limit the Federal government and prevent it from infringing on rights the people already possessed.
SOURCE
In another thread I said we as a nation were ready to accept a dictatorship but I was only half convinced of this when I typed it but as I read through the replies in this thread I am wholly convinced.
I guess thou shalt not murder doesn't apply anymore which doesn't surprise me all that much when concidering the lawless government we've had for the last several years now but to hear Christians and most especially American Christians lending their consent to cold blooded murder is altogether another matter.
In another thread I explianed how ashamed I am to be counted amongst the ranks of today's Christians who think nothing of the double standards they boldly display day in and day out but this here takes the cake.
I am not ashamed of Christ in the least but I am now thoroughly ashamed of having to be counted amongst those who profess to have the living God residing in their hearts.
The world wouldn't know it by looking at us and listening to us. Right now I'm trying to decide whether I can continue to associate with you "good God fearing folks" on BB at all anymore. Not because I have been ridiculed and scorned in the past for not holding to the same putrified principles most of you seem to have adopted but because I feel I am becoming tainted by my association with you all.
We have truely become that which we hate.
Not all of you are this way but there are enough here to make it look as though all of us are of the same mind. This may very well be my last post on this board which will no doubt make some of you "good " people very happy.
My good friend Salty is right and he helped me to see the light. Thank you Salty my good freind!
Maybe you'll see me here tomorrow and maybe you won't.
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Cool. Thank you for not just blasting the source.
Fair points. Good job. Also, nice to see someone else appreciates one of the foremost proponents of the gospel in the evangelical and anglican worlds.
Yes, but as preachin said, he's generally regarded as one of the greatest. He's certainly no heretic.
I never said he was a heretic. But I do certainly question "the greatest". Controversial and and most certainly leans left not far from "the greatest". Of course your entitled to your own personal opinion. But it is quite an over statement to make that claim that's the way he generally regarded. I would offer that generally he not even known.
He's known to anyone who has ever taken a university or seminary New Testament course, especially on a Pauline epistle. He's one of the most prolific and respected New Testament scholars in the evangelical world. That's not my opinion.
And he doesn't lean left. Whatever in the world gave you that impression? Because he doesn't support the military efforts of the U.S.?
Ok well you said generally which would be inclusive of everyone in the world. And support of the NPP is left leaning.
Not being snarky, or demeaning, but you just don't understand NPP if this is your position.
That is simply not correct.