By whom? Every evangelical I know regards him as a heretic.
Yes, he is a heretic. The "New Perspective on Paul" movement contains several heresies and open theism has always been a heresy.
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Theologian N.T. Wright's Reaction to Bin Laden's Death.
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By whom? Every evangelical I know regards him as a heretic.
Yes, he is a heretic. The "New Perspective on Paul" movement contains several heresies and open theism has always been a heresy.
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I was planning to write essentially the same thing.
I might add:
1. This kind of thing has been done many times by many countries. We are not the first.
2. That there has been so much 'ball spiking' by BO, though he declared it was wrong to do so, only draws more anti-American criticism than what we would have possibly seen otherwise.
If he was preaching the truth, the world would hate him. Just like they hate millions of truth-telling men of God, whom the world will never hear about.
N.T. Wright makes self-doubting Catholics feel good about themselves. That's probably why they like him.
N.T. Wright makes self-doubting Catholics feel good about themselves. That's probably why they like him.
"This kind of thing has been done many times by many countries. We are not the first."
Everybody is doing it has always been used to make anything right. :-(
Everybody is doing it has always been used to make anything right. :-(
I may not agree with N.T. Wright on some things, but he raises a good point. We sent in special forces and shot an unarmed man in the head. Why couldn't they capture him? The myth being perpetrated is that capture was not an option as it would have inflamed more terrorism or made him some kind of jailed hero.
We (America) is not always in the right just because we claim to have God on our side.
I don't think you are but I understand it fully. I have read those who support it, wrote papers on things like the book of Romans where I had to at least indirectly deal with it. The bottom line is its character is a lot like the Emerging Church movement. No one wants to be nailed down on any one thing. It seems those who support it take great pride in its diverse "ideas" and "conversations".
I'm not just arguing with you, but my position is that alone pushes it to the left some theologically. To me it has no credit or value.
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Part of the reason he wasn't captured is because he resisted.
Would you have preferred to let him off the hook?
I have no problem with the morality of this operation having been covertly conducted in Pakistan.
How would capture be letting him off the hook? This was labeled by everyone a kill operation.
Crossed my mind if the first shot was to the head why one to the chest? If the first shot was to the chest why another one was needed other than to make sure he was dead.
Not sure I have a problem with where but rather how.
Capture him, and do what? Give him to Eric Holder and put him on trial in NY?
I would also argue that since one of the NPP's foundational proponents is E. P. Saunders who by his own admission is a theological liberal, that alone works to make the case that the NPP itself is left leaning. The hermeneutics involved with the NPP are not conservative by any means and in fact themselves lean left.
He RESISTED Navy Seals WITHOUT a gun. Really??? :laugh:
I was a Marine for a decade. With no gun he could have easily been captured by a team of SEALS.
That's called "Double Tap" in the military. One to the head and one to chest INSURES that they are dead. Some may be perfectly ok with it, but the fact is that once the Navy Seals entered that compound, EVERYBODY was coming out NOT breathing.
Everyone thinks they are experts on what someone else should have done. Fact is no one knows the exact details of the capture of Bin Laden. And knowing that he is a mass murderer and is willing to go to any extreme, any resistance with our military and even when police get into these situation means take him out immediately.
And he had arms in the room.
And he had arms in the room.
Surely there are a lot more facts than what we are privy to. There is no doubt about that. However, the facts as they are don't spell out a perfectly pretty picture that Christians should be rejoicing over. If we are in this world but not of it, please explain to me the cause for jubilation over the death of this or any other unbelieving man. The Church is presently the biggest stumbling block to Gospel...
Exactly.:thumbsup:
Scenario: You have a hornet's nest in your house. It is nearby the place your small children play every day.
Do you ask the hornets politely to leave? Do you move, so that the hornets can take over? Or do you take out the hornets?
This isn't rocket science. We killed a potential threat to our nation's women and children. Those who cannot understand that are simply ignorant of facts. I don't care if they are theologians, ukelele players, or if they host a show on MSNBC.
Do you ask the hornets politely to leave? Do you move, so that the hornets can take over? Or do you take out the hornets?
This isn't rocket science. We killed a potential threat to our nation's women and children. Those who cannot understand that are simply ignorant of facts. I don't care if they are theologians, ukelele players, or if they host a show on MSNBC.
And the facts keep changing.
We will never know all the details surrounding the moments of the end of this man's life. Honestly I don't care to know and trust that our leaders made the best decision.
Think of the evil this single man, and his network, brought to the world. This morning as I walked through security at our airport I was reminded of his impact in the world. Last week Financial Times calculated the cost that bin Laden brought to the world...it was something like $2 trillion dollars (after property loss, security measures, war, etc)
When a rogue group of individuals are waging war through less than reputable means they have lost the ability of being given the benefit of the doubt. Any engagement or contact with them is a battle and they are combatants.
While I don't mourn the loss of this man, I also don't celebrate the taking of life. I am ambivalent to the actions but do believe the world is safer than it was two weeks ago.
Think of the evil this single man, and his network, brought to the world. This morning as I walked through security at our airport I was reminded of his impact in the world. Last week Financial Times calculated the cost that bin Laden brought to the world...it was something like $2 trillion dollars (after property loss, security measures, war, etc)
When a rogue group of individuals are waging war through less than reputable means they have lost the ability of being given the benefit of the doubt. Any engagement or contact with them is a battle and they are combatants.
While I don't mourn the loss of this man, I also don't celebrate the taking of life. I am ambivalent to the actions but do believe the world is safer than it was two weeks ago.