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Theotokos? or TheoNOTokos! - Sedi Sapientiae? or Sedi SERPENTiae! - Roman Raiders of the Ark

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    The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the New Testament:

    Matthew 12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;

    Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;

    Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;

    John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 19:31;

    Acts 1:2, (4:24), 13:14,27,42,44, (14:15), 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;

    Additional references are:

    Additional reference is in the Sabbath before Jesus' death, wherein Jesus, the disciples and Lazarus, all were at Lazarus' house, six days before the Passover, the very next day being the Triumphal entry:

    Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. John 12:1
    See also:

    Hebrews 3:11,18, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11;​

    Hebrews 4:9; [Greek: sabbatismos, literal sabbath-keeping]

    Revelation 1:10 [kuriake hemera, "the Lord's Day" [the 7th Day Sabbath, not "the Day of the Lord", this is totally different in the Greek, which is the greater Sabbath of the Cosmic week], see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12:15, Isaiah 58:13, 66:23, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:27,28; Luke 6:5 ], 10:6 [see also Exodus 20:11, 31:17; Nehemiah 9:6; Psalms 146:6; Acts 4:24, 14:15, Revelation 14:7]; 14:7 [see previous], etc​

    Additionally, further references in the Greek are [every single explicit 'first [day] of the week' text, as each text clearly shows that the first day is simply a number, with no special association or designation, other than it is simply one day toward the culmination of the week, being the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God]:

    Matthew 28:1(a) - oye de sabbatwn
    Matthew 28:1(b)
    - eiV mian sabbatwn
    Mark 16:2
    - kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn
    Mark 16:9
    - anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou
    Luke 24:1
    - th de mia twn sabbatwn
    John 20:1
    - th de mia twn sabbatwn
    John 20:19
    - th mia twn sabbatwn
    Acts 20:7
    - en de th mia twn sabbatwn
    1 Corinthians 16:2
    - kata mian sabbatwn

    That the Sabbath [of the Lord thy God], [being] the 7th day, is always the culmination of the week in God's Created order and is always referred to as such in all of scripture.

    Therefore, every single “first [day] of the week” text upholds the 7th Day Sabbath, and is undeniable evidence of its continued existence and prominence.

    The Jews and Christians would meet daily, temple, house to house, etc:

    Indeed, and not only in Acts, yes even in the Gospels and elsewhere, the Christians [even as did the Jews] met daily, none of which eliminates obedience to God in His 4th Commandment:

    Jesus met in the temple "daily" [and not only there, also synagogue, and in nature], even especially in his last week from Sunday to Tuesday, especially: John 11:55, 21:1; Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20; see additionally [in this order, read carefully], Matthew 21:10; Mark 11:11; John 12:12,13; Matthew 21:12,13,17; Mark 11:12,15,16,17,19; Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1; Matthew 21:18,23; Mark 11:20,27; Matthew 23:37,38,39 [Parallel to Luke 13:31,32,33,34,35]

    And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Acts 2:46​

    And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ. Acts 5:42​

    And does any know why this "daily"? Understand this text - Psalms 77:13

    Also, Jesus met with the Disciples the 2nd day of the week here, since he spent a great deal of time with the two Disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the first day [see Luke 24:21, "...beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done"], it came to be evening [which begins the next day, when the sun sets at even, Mark 1:32; Leviticus 23:32; Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31, etc ], and then they sat down to dinner, and as Jesus vanished before them, they ran back to Jerusalem at night and then Jesus met with them again, all together [thus no longer the 'first [day] of the week', but rather the second [day] of the week]:

    But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. Luke 24:29

    And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. Luke 24:30

    And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, Luke 24:33

    And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. Luke 24:36

    Jesus also stayed for 40 days after His resurrection, His first ascension and return:

    To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Acts 1:3​

    Thus, since Jesus ascended for the Second time, this time from the Mount of Olives, he was there with them exactly 10 days before Pentecost [first [day] of the week], which means, we see again that Jesus was with them not merely upon the first [day] of the week.

    None of these gatherings together negates God's 4th Commandment, as it is from Earth pristine, Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15; Luke 4:16-19; Isaiah 56:1-8, 66:22-23 (to Earth made new, even forever and ever). The sign of His Creation and Redemption. The sign of His finished work in us, the 7th Day.
     
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    [1] Isaiah 56:1,8, John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7, John 21:15-17 (Lambs (new christians, and children), Sheep (Jews), Sheep (Gentiles), see John 10:16; Isaiah 56:8).

    [2] Isaiah 66:22-23, all flesh in the New Heavens and New Earth, see Revelation 22:14, "blessed are they that do his commandments".

    [3] Exodus 31:12-18, the "children of Israel shall keep the sabbath" (vs 16). Jesus is the true Israel. Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; His children, His disciples will keep His Commandments, honouring their Fathers, Hebrews 2:9-18 (vs 13), Isaiah 8:8-20 (vs 16,18). Natural to spiritual, 1 Corinthians 15:46.

    [4] Mark 2:27; Genesis 1:1 - 2:3; Exodus 20:8-11 ("stranger"); Deuteronomy 4:5-8, etc. The sabbath of the LORD thy God was made for the man, Adam, and all in Him, and thus so too for the last Adam, Jesus, and all in Him.

    [5] John 14:15, "If ye love me keep my commandments.", which Jesus is directly citing out of the middle of the Ten Commandment in Exodus 20:6, 'And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."; the Ten Commandments are a single "word" from God, they are a bound unit, ten signifying the "whole" duty of Adam, and "every" work prescribed to Adam, Ecclesiastes 12:13-14. They are exceeding broad and cover everything in life (Psalms 119:96)

    [6] After Jesus death, the disciples still honour the Commandment, Luke 23:54,56, and Luke wrote that years after the Crucifixion. Who was Luke according to the general understanding in the world? Jesus had over and over again in the Gospels freed the sabbath from man-made restrictions and set it back in its proper light, that people might honour God in keeping it.

    [7] The whole of the book of Acts, reveals the Apostles calling the Gentiles (Acts 14:15) to repentance, and also the Jews (Acts 4:24), both of which are citing directly from the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:11, as it is Revelation 10:6; Revelation 14:6-7. Thus in Acts 1:2, (4:24), 13:14,27,42,44, (14:15), 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4; Hebrews 3:11,18, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11; Revelation 1:10 (The Lord's day is the 7th day the sabbath, see the references connected)
     
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    The Ten Commandments are not the old covenant. The old covenant is found in Exodus 19 & 24.

    New Covenant:

    Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
    Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
    Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
    Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    The "my law", or "my laws" is God's Ten Commandments, see the context in Jeremiah and throughout the OT.
    Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
    Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
    Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
    Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
    Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
    Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
    Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
    Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    The Ten Commandments are all perfect promises of God, and are called God's "My Covenant", and "His covenant", also known as the Everlasting Covenant, and New Covenant, in which He says, "I will ... write them" on the "heart", by His Holy Spirit (the same that wrote them in stone), see that Paul calls the first commandment on the Second table a promise (Ephesians 6:2). The peoples faulty promises in Exodus 19 & 24, was "all that the Lord hath said we will do", is the old covenant. They did not. They entered into agreement with God, and failed to keep their promises, because it was in their own strength, not His, nor believing in His promise given in Genesis 3:15, and to Abraham, etc. Read carefully the texts on covenants in scripture. Do not assume, or read by apriori. Also do not confuse change of ministration or administration, with a change of law of God (Ten Comamndments). Do not confuse the Ten Commandments given from above, and that which is under levitical priesthood.
    Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
    Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
    Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

    Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
    Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
    Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
    Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

    2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

    Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

    Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
    Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
    Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
    Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
    Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
    Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
    Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
    Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

    Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    Joh 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
    Joh 21:16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
    Joh 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

    Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
    Amo 9:12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

    Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
    Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
    Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
    Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
    Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
    Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
    Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.​
     
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    “'The school principal, a dozen staff members and about 250 Class VIII to XII girls were privy to the 'special' occult session that had a medium ‘transforming’ into Christ and blessing them. A dozen students fainted and a couple needed medical attention. Most girls were either horrified or too shocked to explain the phenomenon. Principal Sister Monica on Saturday admitted some girls fainted during the 'holy experience'. “It is not unusual to be terrified when the Lord comes before you. Even I was frightened,” she said. The children were exposed to a demonstration of a little-known Chandra Cult with its headquarters in Krishnagar (West Bengal).” - Wednesday September 13, 2006; http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/roman_catholic_blog/2006/09/cult_seance_all.html

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    “The Vatican for the first time has authorized one of its top theologians to make contact with the spirit world. Monsignor Ernesto Pisoni, 56, is spending his days and nights “walking and talking” with ghosts to find out exactly what's awaiting us in the afterlife. The highly respected roman Catholic churchman says his experiences already have proven: there is life after death, ghosts not only exist, they walk among the living, Purgatory, a frightful dimension between life and death where souls are purified before they can enter heaven, really does await us all. “The church has always urged us to contact souls, especially saints, through prayer,” Pisoni told Globe. “In my work, I've gone a step further and tried - successfully - to communicate with the dead.””, “The Catholic church doesn't generally approve of seances, so Pisoni asked and received a “special dispensation” from the Vatican's College of Cardinals to pursue his study of the spirit world.” - Article: Vatican Approves Ghost Seeker's Séance; http://www.skepticfiles.org/mys4/occult.htm

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    “Padre Pio da Pietrelcina received the stigmata from the crucified Christ, who in an apparition invited the Capuchin friar to unite himself to his passion so as to participate in the salvation of others, particularly consecrated persons:”, ““Then,” Padre Pio continued, “his suffering was apparent as was his desire to join souls to his Passion. He invited me to let his pains enter into me and to meditate on them and at the same time concern myself with the salvation of others. Following this, I felt full of compassion for the Lord's pains and I asked him what I could do.I heard this voice: 'I will unite you with my Passion.' And after this the vision disappeared, I came back to myself, my reason returned and I saw these signs here from which blood flowed.”” [From Rome, Zenit; reposted: http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=29580]​

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    “This feeling passed into her spiritual being with the result that she prayed and suffered much for the souls of Purgatory whom she often saw, and for the salvation of sinners whose miseries were known to her even when far away. Soon after she was confined to bed (1813) the stigmata came externally, even to the marks of the thorns. All this she unsuccessfully tried to conceal as she had concealed the crosses impressed upon her breast.”, “In 1833 appeared the first-fruits of Brentano's toil, “The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ according to the Meditations of Anne Catherine Emmerich" (Sulzbach).” - Ven. Anne Catherine Emmerich, Catholic Encyclopedia; http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05406b.htm; Note: “The Dolorous Passion” (being extremely graphic and violent) was one of the main sources of information for Mel Gibson's Film, “The Passion”.​

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    ““The life of stigmatics,” says Dr. Imbert, “is but a long series of sorrows which arise from the Divine malady of the stigmata and end only in death: (op. cit. infra, II, x).”” - Mystical Stigmata, Catholic Encyclopedia; http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14294b.htm
     
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    Blah, blah, blah. We don't venerate Mary. Jesus is her Lord and Savior as much as that of anyone, but from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

    In what ways is she blessed?
     
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    The material presented is about not venerating Mary.

    Mary was blessed for having believed the word of God (Luke 1:30-33,37), and through faith [casting out fear and doubt; Luke 1:30], acting upon it (Luke 1:38-39, etc) in obedience to the will of God (Psalms 40:8), comes the blessing and miracle.
     
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    One Baptism - As a former Catholic I sympathize and I commend you for your extensive research.

    You must know of course that the Church of Rome when she speaks officially she claims to be equal to the Scripture in that she alone maintains the apostolic authority of infallible teaching.

    The magisterium of the Catholic Church is the church's authority or office to establish teachings.
    That authority is vested uniquely in the Pope with his ex cathedra dogma under the premise that they are in communion with the correct and true teachings of the faith.

    There are 4 Marian dogma (teachings concerning Mary the mother of Jesus)

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/mary/general-information/the-four-marian-dogmas

    And a fifth yet to be elevated by the papacy but supported by many in authority and the common folk.

    https://www.catholicity.com/churchteaching/fifth-dogma.html


     
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    Whoa. You're giving as much credit to Mary as does Rome.

    Isn't she blessed for being chosen to usher in the savior of the world, for being chosen to be the mother of her Lord? For being chosen to fulfill a principal role in God's plan of Redemption? For being the woman to whom Christ was commanded to submit and obey growing up? Where is the Gospel preached that the story of Mary is not told?
     
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    Q: Who was Jesus

    A: God

    Q: Who was Jesus' mother?

    A: Mary

    Seems pretty simple to me.
     
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    Thank you for the compliment brother HankD. I understand, having been Roman Catholic for many years.

    For instance:

    "Now in the matter of Sabbath observance the Protestant rule of Faith is utterly unable to explain the substitution of the Christian Sunday for the Jewish Saturday. It has been changed. The Bible still teaches that the Sabbath or Saturday should be kept holy. There is no authority in the New Testament for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday. Surely it is an important matter. It stands there in the Bible as one of the Ten Commandments of God. There is no authority in the Bible for abrogating this Commandment, or for transferring its observance to another day of the week. For Catholics it is not the slightest difficulty. "All power is given Me in heaven and on earth; as the Father sent Me so I also send you," said our Divine Lord in giving His tremendous commission to His Apostles. "He that heareth you heareth Me." We have in the authoritative voice of the Church the voice of Christ Himself. The Church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance to Sunday is proof positive of that fact. Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God." - Source: The Catholic Record, London, Ontario Canada, September 1, 1923.- see source from Liberty Magazine Volumes 16-20, all this, the Roman and Seventh Day Adventist, in a response to speech given by Baptist minister [Emmanuel Baptist Church, Toronto Canada] Rev. J. Marion Smith on the Sabbath/Sunday question [google books pagination 14-15] - http://books.google.com/books?id=iPGEAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Catholic Record - http://biblelight.net/c-record.htm
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    You must be Catholic yourself and not Baptist. You ought to change your identification, as it is a falsehood to pretend otherwise and is therefore transgression of the 9th Commandment.

    Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.​

    I stated what the scripture states, and most definitely do not give the 'credit' (Glory) to Mary (at all). Any attempt to say I did otherwise is another falsehood and deception, and contrary to the witness of my own stated example and words.

    Revelation 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.​

    Christ Jesus is the "elect", the "chosen", of God:

    Isaiah 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

    Matthew 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

    Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

    Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
    Thus, those in Him, are the "chosen", and includes as many since Adam unto the last person to enter "in" the Ark (Jesus).
     
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    Of course it does. You are deluded and prove what you want by your apriori.

    You choose what you desire to believe, and then prove your belief by that desire.

    Jesus specifically said:

    Matthew 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
    Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
    Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
    Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
    Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

    Mark 3:31 There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
    Mark 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
    Mark 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
    Mark 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
    Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.​

    Mary was left outside and Jesus specifically said, "Who is my mother?", and then "he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother ..." and "whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my ... mother."

    All Christians, from Adam to the last man "standing", is Jesus' "brother, and ... sister, and mother."

    It seems that you already 'venerate' yourself, placing your apriori above the word of God.
     
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    So watch’s think about Brett Kavanaugh... born and raised Irish Catholic... Jesuit trained.
     
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    He has a chance to hear the Everlasting Gospel like everyone else and so "come out of her my people", but if he refuses, he will uphold his oaths to Rome over that of the Constitution of the united States, and its proper Amendments, as every other Roman Catholic 'justice'.

    "... He is a Roman Catholic and graduated from the Georgetown Preparatory School. After graduating from Georgetown Prep, Kavanaugh attended Yale University and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts, cum laude, in 1987. At Yale, he joined the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity. He then attended Yale Law School, and graduated with a Juris Doctor in 1990. At Yale Law, he served as Notes Editor of the Yale Law Journal. ..." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh

    If you understood this "America Magazine" [ https://www.google.com/search?q=America+Magazine&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1 ], you will understand the phrase "Make America Great Again". Whose ideology of "America"? If you understood who Andrew White was, why the "White" house is called by that name, why Mary-land and Virgin-a are called what they are, and the location chosen for each, and the diamond (yoni) of DC, who Columbia is, you will begin to see the dots connecting.

    "... The Roman Catholic Church, with all its ramifications throughout the world, forms one vast organization under the control, and designed to serve the interests, of the papal see. Its millions of communicants, in every country on the globe, are instructed to hold themselves as bound in allegiance to the pope. Whatever their nationality or their government, they are to regard the authority of the church as above all other. Though they may take the oath pledging their loyalty to the state, yet back of this lies the vow of obedience to Rome, absolving them from every pledge inimical to her interests. {GC 580.2} ..." - The Great Controversy 1911, pages 580.2

    "... But the beast with lamblike horns was seen "coming up out of the earth." Instead of overthrowing other powers to establish itself, the nation thus represented must arise in territory previously unoccupied and grow up gradually and peacefully. It could not, then, arise among the crowded and struggling nationalities of the Old World--that turbulent sea of "peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." It must be sought in the Western Continent. {GC 440.1}

    What nation of the New World was in 1798 rising into power, giving promise of strength and greatness, and attracting the attention of the world? The application of the symbol admits of no question. One nation, and only one, meets the specifications of this prophecy; it points unmistakably to the United States of America. Again and again the thought, almost the exact words, of the sacred writer has been unconsciously employed by the orator and the historian in describing the rise and growth of this nation. The beast was seen "coming up out of the earth;" and, according to the translators, the word here rendered "coming up" literally signifies "to grow or spring up as a plant." And, as we have seen, the nation must arise in territory previously unoccupied. A prominent writer, describing the rise of the United States, speaks of "the mystery of her coming forth from vacancy," and says: "Like a silent seed we grew into empire."--G. A. Townsend, The New World Compared With the Old, page 462. A European journal in 1850 spoke of the United States as a wonderful empire, which was "emerging," and "amid the silence of the earth daily adding to its power and pride." --The Dublin Nation. Edward Everett, in an oration on [441] the Pilgrim founders of this nation, said: "Did they look for a retired spot, inoffensive for its obscurity, and safe in its remoteness, where the little church of Leyden might enjoy the freedom of conscience? Behold the mighty regions over which, in peaceful conquest, . . . they have borne the banners of the cross!"--Speech delivered at Plymouth, Massachusetts, Dec. 22, 1824, page 11. {GC 440.2}

    "And he had two horns like a lamb." The lamblike horns indicate youth, innocence, and gentleness, fitly representing the character of the United States when presented to the prophet as "coming up" in 1798. Among the Christian exiles who first fled to America and sought an asylum from royal oppression and priestly intolerance were many who determined to establish a government upon the broad foundation of civil and religious liberty. Their views found place in the Declaration of Independence, which sets forth the great truth that "all men are created equal" and endowed with the inalienable right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." And the Constitution guarantees to the people the right of self-government, providing that representatives elected by the popular vote shall enact and administer the laws. Freedom of religious faith was also granted, every man being permitted to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience. Republicanism and Protestantism became the fundamental principles of the nation. These principles are the secret of its power and prosperity. The oppressed and downtrodden throughout Christendom have turned to this land with interest and hope. Millions have sought its shores, and the United States has risen to a place among the most powerful nations of the earth. {GC 441.1}

    But the beast with lamblike horns "spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed; . . . saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make [442] an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live." Revelation 13:11-14. {GC 441.2} ..." - The Great Controversy 1911, pages 440.1 - 441.2 (keep reading)

    "... In the movements now in progress in the United States to secure for the institutions and usages of the church the support of the state, Protestants are following in the steps of papists. Nay, more, they are opening the door for the papacy to regain in Protestant America the supremacy which she has lost in the Old World. And that which gives greater significance to this movement is the fact that the principal object contemplated is the enforcement of Sunday observance--a custom which originated with Rome, and which she claims as the sign of her authority. It is the spirit of the papacy--the spirit of conformity to worldly customs, the veneration for human traditions above the commandments of God--that is permeating the Protestant churches and leading them on to do the same work of Sunday exaltation which the papacy has done before them. {GC 573.1} ..." - The Great Controversy 1911, pages 573.1​
     
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    Before you get anything started learn who started Theotokos the Word and further before the RCC the Ancient Way taught this.
     
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    I guess the question is , is Yeshua God? Lets see what the scriptures say? All scripture is profitable for doctrine , for teaching and for guiding the man of God in truth. I am not talking about guiding in false interpretation either. The Holy Scriptures do not contradict each other but men NOT GUIDED by the Holy Spirit falsely interpret them.
    ISAIAH 9:6
    6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

    What does it say in Isaiah ? MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER ! I will go there with anyone who attacks brethren and falsely interprets scripture!
     
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    Unashamed of the Gospel Romans 1:16

    16I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who
    believes, first to the Jew, then to the Greek.

    The Unbelief of the Jews John 10:33-35

    …33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a
    man, declare Yourself to be God.” 34Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’?
    35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—…

    The Beginning John 1:1-5

    (Genesis 1:1-2)



    1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the
    beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In
    Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not
    overcome it.



    Luke 1:28



    28The angel appeared to her and said, “ Hail (Greetings), you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”



    The Word Became Flesh John 1: 14




    14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and
    only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.



    Song of Songs 8:5



    5Who is this coming up from the wilderness, leaning on her beloved? I roused you under the apple tree; there
    your mother conceived you, there she travailed and brought you forth.



    John19:25-27



    25Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and
    Mary Magdalene. 26When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he


    saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from
    that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.



    A Tree and its Fruit Matthew 7:21-23

    …21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the
    will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your
    name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I
    never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’…

    2 Kings 9:10

    10And the dogs will eat jezebel on the plot of ground at Jezreel, and there will be no one to bury her.’” Then the
    young prophet opened the door and ran away.

    I LOVE THESE VERSES!

    The worst biblical or rather false biblical (interpreted) advice I ever received was to not honor or esteem
    Mother Miriam (Mary) because of falsely interpreting this:



    True Blessedness Luke 11:27-29

    27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that
    bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” 28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear
    the word of God and obey it.”

    Mother Miriam is Blessed not because her womb bore Christ and her breast nursed Him but rather because she
    heard the Word of God and obeyed it. She was told the most incredible thing , was perplexed but believed it.



    Luke 1:28-29



    28The angel appeared to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” 29Mary
    was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be.…



    Lukke 1:38



    38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel de-
    parted from her.



    Luke11:44-46



    44For as soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45Blessed is
    she who has believed that the Lord’s” word to her will be fulfilled. 46Then Mary said: “My soul magnifies the
    Lord,…

    WHAT DID CHRIST SAY: Luke11:28 " Blessed RATHER ARE THOSE WHO HEAR THE WORD OF
    GOD AND OBEY".




    What did Elisabeth say: Luke 11:45 "BLESSED IS SHE WHO HAS BELIEVED THAT THE LORD'S WORD
    TO HER WILL BE FULFILLED."



    This is why Mother Miriam(Mary ) is blessed or why anyone is BLESSED , because they HEAR the WORD
    and OBEY! Everything else is secondary that she was blessed to do. FIRST SHE BELIEVED! Yeshua is not
    speaking against His mother but is explain why she or anyone is BLESSED. Commandment: HONOR THY
    FATHER AND THY MOTHER. The spirit which governed jezebel seeks to Lord over Israel and the WORD,
    NOT HAPPENING!



    Deliverance from False Prophets 2Peter 2:1-2

    1Now there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will
    secretly introduce destructive heresies that even deny the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction
    on themselves. 2Many will follow in their depravity, and because of them the way of the truth will be de-
    famed.…


    God Bless!
     
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