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Theotokos? or TheoNOTokos! - Sedi Sapientiae? or Sedi SERPENTiae! - Roman Raiders of the Ark

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    Bruce Allen , jezebel spirit!
    NOT ALL DREAMS ARE FROM GOD, THIS man's dream was not from GOD!

    First of all , unless you are illiterate Veneration = Esteem

    Christian Living 1Thessalonians 5:12-22

    12And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; 13And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves. 14Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. 15See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men. 16Rejoice evermore. 17Pray without ceasing. 18In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 19Quench not the Spirit. 20Despise not prophesyings. 21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22Abstain from all appearance of evil.

    ven·er·ate
    ˈvenəˌrāt/
    verb
    verb: venerate; 3rd person present: venerates; past tense: venerated; past participle: venerated; gerund or present participle: venerating
    regard with great respect; revere.
    synonyms: revere, regard highly, reverence, worship, hallow, hold sacred, exalt, vaunt, adore, honor, respect, esteem More
    es·teem
    əˈstēm/
    noun
    noun: esteem
    1. 1.
      respect and admiration, typically for a person.
      "he was held in high esteem by colleagues"
      synonyms: respect, admiration, acclaim, approbation, appreciation, favor, recognition, honor, reverence; More
      estimation, regard, opinion
      "she was held in high esteem"
    verb
    verb: esteem; 3rd person present: esteems; past tense: esteemed; past participle: esteemed; gerund or present participle: esteeming
    1.
    respect and admire.
    "many of these qualities are esteemed by managers"
    synonyms: respect, admire, value, regard, acclaim, appreciate, like, prize, treasure, favor, revere
    "
    Some things should be obvious but when you are dealing with the jezebel spirit they are not to those possessed of it.
    In an attempt to reject the RCC and to distinguish itself from her -this Protestant sect which is in possession of the jezebel spirit rejects obvious truths , this of which is
    praying to saints for help and intersession -is scriptural. Asking Holy brothers and sisters to aid us on earth is in the bible . Anyone with a heart of love for the brethren has eyes to see.

    These same critics have No problem praying for other's when asked but yet say it is not possible for a saint who for sure.......,(.ran their race and WON and have already attained their crown) to pray for you in heaven.. Those already in heaven are of a royal reign= this makes them a king or queen, hence CROWN of Victory. And Christ says those who overcome as He has will sit upon His Father's throne as He has overcome and sits upon His Father's throne.
    Also, those who overcome and conquer the world will be given an iron scepter in which to rule nations. Not difficult to understand: The election for this takes place on earth and the rewards are given in the after life , heaven. Not complicated. Now with scripture:

    Ephesians 6:18

    18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

    The Prayer of Faith James 5:15-17

    …15And the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick. The Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. 16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail. 17Elijah was a man just like us. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain, and it did not rain on the land for three and a half years.…

    The Lamb is Worthy Rev. 5:7-9

    …7And He came and took the scroll from the right hand of the One seated on the throne. 8When He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp, and they held the golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song: “Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals, because You were slain, and by Your blood You purchased for God those from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.…

    To the Church in Thyatira Rev.2:25-27

    …25Nevertheless, hold fast to what you have until I come. 26And to the one who is victorious and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations. 27He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery—just as I have received authority from My Father.…


    DID MARY OVERCOME? IS SHE A SAINT? FROM WHERE IS THIS REIGN AND AUTHORITY? WHEN ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW- WILL THEIR BE ANY MORE SHATTERING OF NATIONS? NO! This is a reign which is eternal but the shattering of nations ends at some point for the END of THE AGE is the end of sin! Not difficult to understand in love, but in the jezebel spirit NOT GRASPED!

    To the Church in Laodicea Rev 3: 20-22

    …20Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in and dine with him, and he with Me. 21To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”…

    WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? It means in Christ you are a QUEEN or KING as He is a King on a throne. A throne means a position of power in Christ . That is what is designed for those concerning the BODY OF CHRIST!
    Veneration therefore is for only the body of Christ. That means FOR ALL who are in it. Give me a break, these so called "born again" think they can deny the position Christ gave His Mother.

    It is not only the RCC that esteems or venerates Mary and the saints all Orthodox churches do. Get over yourselves those who call themselves born again , you can not deny the Body what Christ rightly designated for her, this is to deny your own esteeming and venerating in Christ! You will be judged for this, by those granted to sit upon thrones to judge.
    Rev. 20:4
    4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed.

    This is getting crazy, these false doctrines and false teachers, with their false prophets,( yeah FALSE PROPHET)- those who mix truth and lies and are governed by the jezebel mindset, they who are too cowardly to defend Mary and all the saints-( sit silent) . They aid and abet, this is the get away car for the jezebel mindset, culpable is anyone who sits silent while a fellow Christian is persecuted for the role given to them by the HIGH PRIEST!- even if that title is MOTHER!

    Jesus' Mother and Brothers Matthew 12:49-50

    …49Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers. 50For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

    Was she His Mother before all else were? Did the Word choose her to be His mother? Yes! And if anyone deny her, they do not do the will of the Father in Heaven . NOT COMPLICATED!
    Only a hater would believe Christ - in these verses is disrespecting His chosen mother. He would NEVER break His own commandments!

    HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER! In this response Christ gave was No dishonor, but an exalting-a lifting up of the crowd who felt it was more important for Him to stop teaching them and acknowledge His mother and brothers. WHY? Because they are His mother and brothers, the crowd held them in high regard for their position. Christ was telling the crowd to aspire to their greatest good, which is to be like them. This makes those who do the will of His Father in heaven , His brother, sister, mother- this in likeness=deed. You can not be this if you disregard those whom Christ chose as foundational.
    Notice Christ did not say FATHER, but this is what those who reject the foundation try to be over Christ . They try to LORD HIM, NONSENSE! A brother or sister follows God, and is in Christ's likeness. A mother nurtures Christ in others, like Mary, but NOT one is Father!
     
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    Other misinterpreted verses:
    True Blessedness Luke 11:26-28

    26Then it goes and brings seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they go in and dwell there. And the final plight of that man is worse than the first.” 27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.” 28But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”…

    That is RIGHT! BLESSED are those who hear the WORD of God and obey IT!
    The Birth of Jesus Foretold Luke1:26-38
    26And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. 36And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. 37For with God nothing shall be impossible. 38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

    SHE OBEYED THE WORD OF GOD! Her exalting was not of herself but of Christ who bore her before anyone else was born again. She is called blessed! That is what Christ relayed to the woman in the crowd , that all are blessed who obey. He was NOT implying or remotely saying His mother did something other or is put above Him, one is BLESSED because HE exalts people above the
    rest of the world who obey the WORD! That woman too- in obeying therefore, can be exalted and may have continued to obey and was.

    What denomination thinks Mary is put above Christ? Only the born again. You think any esteem=veneration of her is putting her above Him therefore attack her dignity in Him and deny what the foundation clearly states and what both angel and man profess concerning her. And that is what the' Rule of Theotokos ' professes, 'The Rosary' and even what is called the 'Lutheran Rosary' does. Scripture -the Truth states: all who overcome are exalted in Christ and are QUEENS and KINGS. But she is BLESSED among women, this means amongst all women -she is blessed above them all, for no one but her has ever been granted the privilege and HIGH HONOR to give birth, raise and live with God on a personal level as she. NOT COMPLICATED! You think it ,(no high honor though). because you say she is no different from anyone else, you therefore insult God! He says otherwise, for He can boast in Himself and declare that a person is Blessed to be in His presents, and she was in the HIGHEST SENSE! Jealousy is wicked!
    Don’t Be Envious of Evil Men proverbs 24:1-2

    1Do not be envious of evil men, Nor desire to be with them; 2For their minds devise violence, And their lips talk of trouble.…


    Mary Visits Elizabeth
    39And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; 40And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. 41And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
    BLESSED is SHE that BELIEVED , and obeyed what was TOLD HER FROM THE LORD! NOT COMPLICATED!

    Mary again praised and exalted by Elizabeth, IN THE FOUNDATION! NO ONE LAY A FOUNDATION ALREADY LAID! That foundation is Jesus Christ and it is by the Holy Spirit that both angel and man exalt Mary= the Father's WILL IN HEAVEN. ON earth as is it is in heaven, the Lords prayer, for all things are pronounced in heaven then on earth. At her Yes it is done on earth!
    Mary's Song of Praise
    (1 Samuel 2:1-11)
    46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
    47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
    48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
    49For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
    50And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
    51He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
    52He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
    53He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
    54He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
    55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.
    56And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

    All the generation of Abraham are numbered in her because they are chosen in Christ.
    Now I will do one better and all is the everlasting GOSPEL!

    NOW, time for some really solid food:
    The Unbelief of the Jews John 10:33-34

    …33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” 34Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—…

    A feeble minded person would not be able to grasp this, such as those who call themselves born again.
    But the scriptures are clear, those to whom the Word of God came , God calls them gods. Does this mean above the head, which is Christ? NO! It is in Christ who is the only begotten of the Father that God is speaking about when He said "You are gods"- THE BODY OF CHRIST! Christ fulfills all prophecy and therefore fulfilled this:

    God Presides in the Great Assembly Psalm82: 5-7

    …5They do not know nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High. 7"Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes."…

    In the great assembly which is all believers, God is present. And in knowledge of Him all are spiritually and intellectually HIGHER than those of the world. That is why the' g' in gods is a lower case.
    Teaching, guiding those to Christ is a high honor, and esteem and veneration is ONLY for those in Christ, for they are who they are because of Christ and are like Him. All veneration of saints is for Him. The family of God should esteem one another and all who esteem us are esteeming Him= praising His work in us.

    Lower case 'g' gods means:
    dem·i·god
    ˈdemēˌɡäd/
    noun
    noun: demigod; plural noun: demigods; noun: demi-god; plural noun: demi-gods
    1. a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity, the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank.
      • a man who is greatly admired or respected.
        "a former juvenile delinquent who would become a counterculture demigod"
      GET IT? We are the offspring of God in the world due to our gifts and are demi-gods in Him= Fullness of deity?
    GET IT?
    Alive in Christ Colossians 2:8-10

    …8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.…

    We who are alive in Christ dwell in Him for we have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over us and all authority , we in Him are above all others. For IN Christ all the fullness of the deity= that which is worshiped, dwells in bodily form. This is the Body of Christ- a collective group of people who teach only about Him.

    God said it ,can not deny it, it is done!
    God Presides in the Great Assembly Psalm82: 5-7

    …5They do not know nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are shaken. 6I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High. 7"Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes."…
     
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    Since Christ is God Incarnate , the gods -(plural) refers to those in him.

    Anyone who calls himself Christian but attacks those in the body of Christ or does not defend those in
    Christ,looses his crown!

    rev.3;11

    11I am coming soon. Hold fast to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.



    They are a Judas to the foundation and sell out for praise acceptance and accolades by mere fallen men. In Mary
    is the fall and rise of many kings For through her came forth the authority which will determine the authority of
    all others.

    To the Church in Thyatira Rev.2:26-28



    …26And to the one who is victorious and continues in My work until the end, I will give AUTHORITY over
    the nations. 27He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them — like pottery just as I have received au-
    thority from My Father. 28And I will give him the morning star.…

    Have to place these verses again, ones authority is in Christ-( rise of Kings and Queens after HIS DESIGN), and
    the fall of all outside of this design.



    If no one else will say it I will- DO NOT GO THERE CONCERNING MOTHER (MIRIAM Hebrew) MARY
    you will loose!

    The GLORIOUS ONES-THOSE IN CHRIST will watch your fall!
    Better read all I have shared concerning Mary that you may be Blessed!

    Power belongs to God to make one unto honor or destruction question NOT what Christ purposes in Himself.

    Romans 9:20-24

    20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it,
    Why hast thou made me thus? 21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel
    unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power
    known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23And that he might make
    known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24Even us,
    whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    THAT WHICH IS DESIGNED FOR HONOR: this means designed by God that man may honor, for God is the
    designer not the designed in Him are all honored before MAN!

    Honor MOTHER MARY and all in Christ, it is a FAMILY affair! And THERE IS NO WRONG IN ASKING
    FAMILY IN PRAYER TO PRAY FOR YOU AND OTHERS, including asking them to pray for sinners. For
    no one dies in Christ, they are the immortals, eternal life is theirs for they conquered and always help in the
    kingdom of heaven! And since the kingdom of heaven is within they are reached within prayer!



    We have super victorious abundantly glorious , excellent VICTORY In JESUS OUR LORD!
     
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    BECAUSE I LOVE THE LORD"S JUSTICE FOR HIS JUDGEMENTS ARE RIGHT AND TRUE-Where did
    Christ reveal He is God and all in Him are lower -case 'g'ods demi?-



    in what is called Solomon's portico or porch. What portion of the temple is this: The women's! In what woman
    is the IMAGE of God revealed, MARY! For no one has seen God the Father except the Son, and to whom He
    chooses to reveal Him, for he who sees the Son, sees the Father, BEHOLD the invisible God revealed, YE-
    SHUA (JESUS) Christ!



    The Wisdom of the Lord is eternal ,mysterious

    Wikipedia



    Solomon's Porch, Portico or Colonnade (st?a t?? S???µ??t??; John 10:23; Acts 3:11; 5:12), was a colonnade, or
    cloister, located on the eastern side of the Temple's Outer Court (Women's Court) in Jerusalem, named after
    Solomon, King of Israel.





    The Unbelief of the Jews john 10:22-39

    22And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. 23And Jesus walked in the temple in
    Solomon's porch. 24Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to
    doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works
    that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as
    I said unto you. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them
    eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which
    gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30I and my Father
    are one.

    31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed
    you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good
    work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34Jesus
    answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word
    of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent
    into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37If I do not the works of my Father,
    believe me not. 38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that
    the Father is in me, and I in him. 39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,





    It is to the woman Genesis=Mary, that the seed- Christ is revealed as God. God Incarnate , Emmanuel- God is
    with us. That is the significance of our Lord revealing this in that part of the temple. For it is in that temple God
    truly came forth and that temple is a woman.



    1 Corinthians 3:16



    16Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?



    The power of the Most High shall over shadow you=God, and you shall conceive by the Holy Spirit= the love
    of God the Father in God the Son. He shall be called Emmanuel= God with us=God in Flesh! She therefore has
    present with her the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. She is an Ark and all who do the will of the Father in
    Heaven and esteem her are too an Ark of the Covenant.





    Jeremiah 31:32-34



    A New Covenant



    …32not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out
    of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
    33"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I
    will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My peo-
    ple. 34"They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
    for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will for-
    give their iniquity, and their sin I will remembered no more."…



    The New Covenant Hebrews 8:9-11



    …9It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of
    the land of Egypt, because they did not abide by My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10This is
    the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord. I will put My laws in their
    minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. 11No longer will
    each one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me, from the
    least of them to the greatest.…



    Ezekiel 11:19



    19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of
    their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:



    this means we are a living Ark and no more will the heart of the Law be written on stone but on the flesh-heart
    of man.



    From her cup, spilling over to our cup, additions unto God multiplications of His truth!


    All denominations hold truth and lies. If you embrace only the teachings of those who spoke truth and made doctrine what is left standing?
    The Lesson of the Fig Tree Mathew 24:34-35

    …34Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away. 36No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.…

    Only the Word remains for all. The foundation is Christ only truth will remain standing upon it.It is the age in which the fig tree is shaken= the true Israelites- those who are truly Israel are awakened. The strong wind is the Holy Spirit which will stir them and they shall awaken to teach and bring forth Christ , before His time = Christ's return. Before His return there will be a miracle which is before His time. The fig tree will bring forth and all will know the Lord is with His people! And all shall be tested and proved by those chosen , Elected of this generation to bring forth all in truth! THIS IS IT, we have entered the END of the Age= end of sin!
     
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    Considering that the Blessed Mother seems to be a bone of contention for most all governing

    Denominations I figured I would address this. I would ask the reader to keep in mind, that in the

    Old Testament there seems to be no trouble with translation concerning the meaning of

    Words and the application of them. But when it comes to Mary and the Language of the New

    Testament, many “doctrinal fathers” seem to have a hard time grasping the meaning of words.

    They tend to ascribe to them completely unfounded meanings, which defy the clear meanings

    of the text and or verses. This then creates a convoluted mess , and arguments amongst denom-

    inations. This goes back to what Philippians 2:

    One in Christ

    1Therefore if you have any encouragement in Christ, if any comfort from His love, if any fellowship with
    the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being of one mind, having the
    same love, being united in spirit and purpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or empty pride, but in hu-
    mility consider others more important than yourselves.…



    With that said let’s take a look at scripture ,and look at all things concerning the Blessed Mother.

    All doctrines and dogma established by man should , if true, be found in the Word.



    First prophecy concerning her: Genesis 3:15



    Genesis 3:15



    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; He shall crush
    thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.



    Enmity:en·mi·ty

    'enm?de/

    noun

    noun: enmity; plural noun: enmities



    the state or feeling of being actively opposed or hostile to someone or something.

    synonyms: hostility, animosity, antagonism, friction, antipathy, animus, acrimony, bitterness, rancor,
    resentment, aversion, ill feeling, bad feeling, ill will, bad blood, hatred, hate, loathing, odium; More



    The enmity between the Woman (Blessed Mother) and the serpent would be the Holy Spirit.

    Isaiah 7:13-15

    The Sign of Immanuel

    …13Then he said, "Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men,
    that you will try the patience of my God as well? 14"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Be-
    hold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. 15"He will eat curds
    and honey at the time He knows enough to refuse evil and choose good.…



    “A Virgin shall be with child”. The Holy Spirit came between Miriam(Mary) and the serpent,

    between his seed= knowledge, and her seed = her Son. He crushes the serpents head, the serpent bruised

    His heel. This is Christ’s flesh, it is only the heel of what He is. The serpent could NOT conquer

    His Divine supernatural part.

    Now the question is , “Is Mary immaculate”? First lets address the meaning of an immaculate thing.

    Immaculate:

    im·mac·u·late

    i'maky?l?t/

    adjective

    adjective: immaculate



    (especially of a person or their clothes) perfectly clean, neat, or tidy.

    "an immaculate white suit"

    synonyms: clean, spotless, ultraclean, pristine, unsoiled, unstained, unsullied; More

    shining, shiny, gleaming;

    neat, tidy, spick and span;

    informalsqueaky clean, as clean as a whistle

    "an immaculate white shirt"

    perfect, pristine, mint, as good as new;

    flawless, faultless, unblemished, unspoiled, undamaged;

    excellent, impeccable;

    informaltip-top, A1

    "a guitar in immaculate condition"

    antonyms: dirty, worn, damaged

    free from flaws or mistakes; perfect.

    "an immaculate safety record"

    synonyms: unblemished, spotless, impeccable, unsullied, undefiled, untarnished, stainless;



    Now , knowing who God the Father is, and who God the Son is, and who God the Holy Spirit is,

    we know they are perfection. God from God, light from light, begotten

    and not made. The Holy Spirit is the mutual love between the two and precedes from the Father

    and the Son, a masculine divine love that a Father has for a Son and a Son for a Father,

    this , the Power of the Most High overshadowed Mary, and she conceived by the Holy Spirit

    and begot, not created God, Yeshua( Jesus Christ) , who chose her flesh to become flesh.

    Begotten of the Holy Spirit, her egg became the placement for the design of His flesh, this was therefore,

    an Immaculate Conception? Well, is the Holy Spirit immaculate? Of course! Nothing made

    spotless can be made so by an unclean application. Now, the Incarnation part happened once this

    Immaculate Conception part happened . Incarnation is flesh at the moment of conception -

    becoming in design . Now the next question is, “Can scripture contradict itself”? Of course not.

    Why? Because we are told scripture is for:2Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-Breathed

    …15From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation
    through faith in Christ

    Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction,

    for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete,

    fully equipped for every good work.…

    So, scripture alone is what we need to lean on to understand who Mary is, what Mary is,

    and when Mary become Immaculate. Scripture will reveal ALL THINGS!

    So, scripture can not contradict itself or the apostle Timothy would be a liar.

    This now brings us to the apostle Paul

    Romans 3:22-24

    Righteousness through Faith

    …22And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no dis-
    tinction, 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by His grace
    through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.…



    St. Paul says: “There is NO DISTINCTION” ALL have sinned! Plain as the nose on your face.

    And this:Death in Adam, Life in Christ Romans 5:11-13



    11Not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now re-
    ceived reconciliation. 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so
    also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. 13For sin was in the world before the Law was

    given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law.…



    And this by Paul: The Wages of Sin Romans 6:22-23

    …22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the fruit you reap leads to
    holiness, and the outcome is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in
    Christ Jesus our Lord.

    So all have sinned, but all are justified freely by HIS GRACE. Key words which will help make understand-
    ing of -Highly favored of the Lord. Now, I believe Mary is Immaculate, I just disagree with

    when this happened and how it happened, so then, when and how is in question, not that she is.

    Let me explain. Some denominations claim Mary was immaculately conceived in her mothers womb’

    And they define this like :( She out of God’s foresight-was preserved out of all people from any stain of

    Original sin. ) NO scriptural support for this is evident. And in actuality this would have to

    mean her whole families lineage would have to be immaculate, because she was conceived in the natural

    way through man and woman coming together. This would therefore, contradict two apostles, Timothy

    and Paul. The RCC and some Orthodox derive at their conclusion with No scriptural support. Most of what they
    attest,

    comes from them interpreting what Apocrypha books may seem to suggest. That is why I say keep

    in mind the definition of Apocryphal. Doesn’t it say : Highly unlikely to be true and not to be used

    as an accurate source of information .Yet is used a lot for reference and is widely believed to be true. WOW!

    that is confusing. My point.........scripture as we have it is a reliable source to test all things, including

    Apocrypha. If something does not rest well in your heart, go to scripture to test the authenticity of it.

    I have done this with what is ascribed to Enoch, I will share latter on what books ARE

    accurate and are a good source of knowledge. For now back to Mary and what scripture supports.

    Mary is made Immaculate at her YES. The Holy Spirit perfected her instantly for the purpose

    of the Incarnation of Christ. For He could not be placed in a soiled vessel. At her Yes she abides

    and can not and will not sin. This is the ENMITY, the Holy Spirit's seal of protection against the serpents

    knowledge. The timing of this is at the annunciation to Mary by the angel Gabriel.

    All abiding is the level of perfection that all must reach. For the purpose of God ,she was chosen

    for the highest beauty.

    Intermission..............
     
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    ALL THINGS MARY CONTINUED:

    Romans 9:20-23

    20Nay but, O man, who are you that replies against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why have you made
    me thus?



    21Has not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?



    22What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath
    fitted to destruction:



    23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had before prepared unto glory,



    Children of God 1John 3:8-10

    …8The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the

    Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. 9Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin,

    because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

    10By this the children of God and the children of the devil can be distinguished:

    Anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother.…



    She was instantly BORN AGAIN, is this not what Christ said must be, in order for one to enter heaven.?

    John says: Anyone born of God REFUSES to practice sin because God’s SEED abides in him. What does

    Genesis 3:15 call Mary’s child, (HER SEED) and who is that seed, GOD INCARNATE. If He is in her,

    Spiritually, Holy Spirit Conception , made Christ Incarnate physically. He the seed in her means literally she can

    HAVE NO SIN.

    Did she prior to this? Of course she did , the APOSTLE Paul makes it clear, there are NO DISTINCTIONS.

    And Timothy has shown scripture is for teaching . Common sense- with scripture prevails.

    She- chosen from the same lump, MANKIND was purposed by the POTTER to be used for honor, the HIGHEST

    honor might I add. So she is the Immaculate Conception, she was BORN AGAIN instantly in spirit by the Holy Spirit,

    BY FIRE NOT WATER, fire is for the soul water is for the flesh . Water cleansing, Mary experienced this ritual all her life,

    now she is given the fire cleansing. I say this because Protestants argue she was not baptized.

    Leviticus 8:6

    6 Then Moses brought Aaron and his sons forward, and washed them with water.

    This was a practice not to just clean dirt off but a preparation for anointing and is repeatedly mentioned throughout the OT.

    John 3:4-6

    Jesus and Nicodemus

    …4“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a

    second time to be born?” 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of

    God unless he s is born of water and the Spirit. 6Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit.…

    The argument, Mary was not baptized with water is not true, the Jewish Rite of purification was established

    during the Old Covenant, and Mary was under the law of the Old Covenant before Christ came.

    All believers participated in ceremonial cleansing with water. She was practicing this all along, all believing

    Jews were, including Elisabeth whose husband,( Zacharias) was a priest. Now come the fire baptism.

    The Word instituted water already. Hence is why John was to baptize with water. He was to call all, even
    those who were NOT practicing the faith. Also ,because this faith would be preached to the Gentiles

    it had to be established under the understanding of the Triune God. John was not saying ,I baptize you in the

    name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Why? Because he was enforcing the act of purifica-
    tion which was already established. So, Christ more clearly states in commissioning his

    disciples to go and baptize all nations :

    The Great Commission Matthew 28:18-20

    …18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
    19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son,
    and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with
    you always, to the very end of the age.”…



    So, John called all to the cleansing through the water of repentance. People came confessing their sins

    and the way of the Lord was cleared, Christ brings fire, which refines the soul. All in Israel

    and the world had to know the Messiah and that in Him is fulfilled the Law and the Prophets.

    This was John’s purpose, to let all peasants and Pharisee , Kings and pilgrims know that he was making clear

    the way of the Lord. And the Lord made clear it is He who is the way, the Law and the Prophets. He who is
    the Word, He established His covenant with Israel and He is the completion of it. What the Jews call Juda-
    ism is simply Christianity. I mentioned this in another post.

    I understand what you may be thinking. And yes without Christ’s Resurrection there would be no Chris-
    tianity. Maybe you miss what I am saying. When a child is conceived we know it is a child and goes through
    a growth process. When that child is birthed that child is what it is intended to be from the moment of con-
    ception. That child in this case is God's Religion which is birthed as Christ hence, Christianity. And yes all
    are birthed in His Birth, Death, burial and Resurrection but the conception of this began with the first Word

    spoken to the Hebrew. Maybe you over look that Yeshua is the Word made FLESH , but in the beginning
    was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and all things came into existence be-
    cause of Him. It is true nothing would be of the faith without the birth of the Word in Flesh.

    That is why it is written one is not a Jew unless he is inwardly.

    Romans 2:29.

    The Jews and the Law

    …28A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical. 29No,
    a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the
    written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.



    That is why, Messiah rejecting Jews abort their own lineage , when rejecting the fullness and birth of the
    faith, that was conceptualized with and in the first Hebrews. First to the Jew then Greek.

    Romans1:15-17

    Unashamed of the Gospel

    15That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome. 16I am not ashamed of the
    gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the
    Greek. 17For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from START to FINISH just
    as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”…



    That is what I stated in another post before, all of the written word of scripture is the Word and the beginning, or
    first word written is the conception of the faith, Christ is the Birth of the Word.




    Now back to Mary

    Matthew 1:18-25

    18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before
    they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just
    man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privately. 20But while he
    thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou
    son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy
    Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people
    from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the
    prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his
    name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the
    angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth
    her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.



    Remember what I said about the Apocryphal books and what the definition is concerning them. The RCC

    calls these Deuterocanonical . So, books that are labeled apocryphal and not a reliable source

    of information are used to define Dogmas.

    THE PERPETUAL VIRGINITY OF MARY.

    Also remember, the meaning of words -for the RCC it is not difficult to translate and understand them in the

    Old Testament, but somehow the meaning of words become convoluted in translation when applied

    to the Blessed Mother.

    The RCC and some other denominations use the “Infant Gospel of James” to formulate their opinions.

    This apocrypha Book said to be written about (140-170 AD) gives an account of Mary never having

    consummated Her marriage before or after the birth of Christ. Now, for me I do not care either way.

    I love her and know what great honor was given her. However, this has been the cause of great

    controversy and confusion . And obviously God is not a God of confusion.



    1 Corinthians 14:33

    33 For God is not a God of confusion but of peace.

    As in all the churches of the saints,



    This book makes some very wild claims. Including Joseph having NOT taken Mary as his

    wife at all, contradicting Matthew1:24-25. Again we know Timothy said scripture alone! With that,

    we know what “To Know “ or “Knew” means in the OT like:

    Genesis 4:1

    1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the
    LORD.

    OR:
     
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    Genesis 4:17







    17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he built a city, and called the name of

    the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

    ex......

    Now the meaning of till or until;



    un·til



    ??n'til/



    preposition & conjunction



    preposition: until; conjunction: until







    up to (the point in time or the event mentioned).



    So, Mary was married in every sense of the Word. Why?



    Because MARRIAGE IN GOD IS HOLY!!!!!



    St.Paul even uses it as an example of Christ and His Bride.



    Christ therefore had the FULL human experience and family is beautiful. The apocrypha of



    James is where the RCC also gets Joseph was married before and had other children from that



    Marriage. This to rebuff any assertion of Mary having other children. THAT IS UTTER

    NONSENSE! This book is a lie! It contradicts the WORD. I do not care how much they want to



    fantasize about what they want her to be, I care about what the Word says she is.







    Luke 1:28



    28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee:

    blessed art thou among women.



    The Lord is with her and always will be, she is highly favored.



    Luke 1:42



    42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of

    thy womb.

    And she is and her fruit is- YESHUA (JESUS).



    Now how is she ever virgin? Because she abides. Being Born Again of spirit and flesh



    Makes you immaculate= without the stain or blemish of sin. You are brought back to the intended state,



    before Adam and Eve sinned. Hence, born AGAIN. You are spiritually ,VIRGINAL and pure.



    There is no accessibility for Satan because the ENMITY is placed between you and him.



    This is why the CHURCH is compared to the Virgin Mary. She was the first BORN AGAIN , for she is

    Christ’s first completed work in Him. He came to save her too! And as Paul says, “ it is by GRACE” that



    we are saved. In her song she states: ‘My soul magnifies the Lord, and MY SPIRIT REJOICES

    IN GOD MY SAVIOUR” she would have no need to say this if the RCC’s and Orthodox views were true.



    Luke 1:46-55



    Mary's Song of Praise: The Magnificat







    46 And Mary said,







    “My soul magnifies the Lord,



    47



    and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,



    48



    for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant.



    For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;



    49



    for he who is mighty has done great things for me,



    and holy is his name.



    50



    And his mercy is for those who fear him



    from generation to generation.



    51
     
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    He has shown strength with his arm;



    he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;



    52



    he has brought down the mighty from their thrones



    and exalted those of humble estate;



    53



    he has filled the hungry with good things,



    and the rich he has sent away empty.



    54



    He has helped his servant Israel,



    in remembrance of his mercy,



    55



    as he spoke to our fathers,



    to Abraham and to his offspring forever.”







    He has looked upon the lowly estate of His handmaiden and exalted her. She is exalted not because



    of herself but because of Yeshua ha-Mashiach. In her Israel is exalted. This will tie into



    Jacob’s ladder, for discussion later on in your reading.



    So to abide is to not sin, and those who abide in Him do so because HIS SEED is in them=



    Holy Spirit, not just upon them but in them.



    In conclusion to this cycle did Mary have other children? This, another big controversy!



    The scriptures will answer question:



    The Rejection at Nazareth Matthew 13:54-56



    …54Coming to His hometown, He taught the people in their synagogue, and they were astonished. “Where

    did this man get such wisdom and miraculous powers?” they asked. 55“Is this not the carpenter’s son? Isn’t

    His mother’s name Mary, and aren’t His brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? 56Aren’t all His sisters

    with us as well? Where then did this man get all these things?”…



    This is easy, first and foremost, we have established Mary is Immaculate, Ever Virgin in Spirit,

    and pure because she Abides at her yes. She was married in every sense of the word according to scripture.



    She not being under the curse of sin would have NO ill physical side effects like being barren.



    Therefore she and Joseph would be fruitful, for Joseph was chosen too. With that, all scripture of the OT



    has words for cousin and brother and sister, clansman and clanswoman, nothing has changed with the NT.



    It was interpreted using the same method. The language of the text is clear. The people of His home town



    know His family, (Know used in its obvious context as to knowledge of.) Further proving the language



    of scripture is clear. The people of His town would not be speaking of His apostles, for they did not know



    them, they accompanied Yeshua there. They were NOT from there. There is historical documentation



    which shows where each were from. And the thing that will be much to most surprise, is that



    neither James the greater nor the Lesser are His brother James mentioned here, as many biblical



    scholars assert. Here is a historical run down of where the apostles were from.



    James the Greater son of Zebedee:James, /Place of birth

    His brother John as well obviously.

    Bethsaida







    James, the Lesser, son of Alphaeus/Place of birth



    Galilee, Israel







    Judas Iscariot







    139:12.1 Judas Iscariot, the twelfth apostle, was chosen by Nathaniel. He was born in Kerioth, a small town

    in southern Judea. When he was a lad, his parents moved to Jericho, where he lived and had been employed

    in his father's various business enterprises until he became interested in the preaching and work of John the

    Baptist. Judas's parents were Sadducees, and when their son joined John's disciples, they disowned him.



    He would be replaced by:



    Matthis,



    From Judea.
     
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    Simon ,Peter :



    From Bethsaida







    Philip :



    From Bethsaida.







    Nathaniel:



    From Cana







    Matthew (Levi):



    From Galilee



    Thomas didymus:



    From Galilee.







    Judas Alpheus



    From Galilee.



    Simon the zealot:



    From Cana..



    Andrew:

    From Bethsaida







    Therefore, by the names revealed in Christ’s home town as brothers, we learn the answer. Not one



    of His apostles was from Nazareth.







    This will end this cycle. Next complete summary of Immaculate Conception



    And the meaning of Revelation 12 ‘s Woman and all its symbolism.



    God Bless!
     
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    ALL ABOUT MOTHER MARY CONTINUED:


    Blessings and peace to all in Yeshua ha-Mashiach.

    Immaculate Conception:

    THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION

    Miriam was a righteous Jewish girl who observed Jewish law. She is the Immaculate Conception because she
    immaculately conceived and was Immaculately Conceived by the Holy Spirit ,(INSTANTLY) Born Again . And
    the Immaculate Conception and Incarnation are not two separate events at two separate times, but are united in
    one moment at one point in time . Immaculate Conception and Incarnation go hand and hand. She - as with all
    people, was in need of a Savior. Her song "The Song of Mary" demonstrates this. " My soul doth magnify the
    Lord, and my spirit rejoices in GOD MY SAVIOR." The scriptures do not lie. Luke1:46-55.

    We are all born with the stain of original sin Christ redeems us. Romans 5:11-13, this clearly states: because of one
    all have died, and all have died for all have sinned.
    Death in Adam, Life in Christ

    11Not only so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. 13For sin was in the world before the Law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law.…


    22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for
    all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemp-
    tion that is in Christ Jesus,

    This I am addressing because some Protestant sects will argue against this doctrine "Original Sin" when it is clearly supported
    by scripture. They will even use scripture against scripture, as though the scriptures will implode on themselves.

    Cont. Immaculate Conception:

    Before all else who were to be of the New covenant she was, therefore the first to be Born Again of the Spirit and receive
    Immaculate flesh.

    She- as with all people , was in need of a Savior. For she calls God her Savior. She was conceived as everyone
    else- through mother and father. She was holy like Sara and Rachel and other holy women of

    scripture. She is blessed among them though, because she was given the favor of bringing forth the Word Incarnate.
    Her soul was BORN AGAIN and HER FLESH immaculately conceived when the Holy Spirit came
    upon her. The conception of her in her mothers womb was as all other holy people of scripture.



    SHE IS THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION BECAUSE SHE IMMACULATELY CONCEIVED AND
    WAS CONCEIVED IN THIS AND BORN AGAIN THROUGH CHRIST.!

    She was NOT conceived by the Holy Spirit in her mothers womb. To be immaculately conceived is to be conceived by the Holy Spirit ,
    without interaction between a man and woman but between the soul and the Holy Spirit .

    You have Searched Me and Know Me Psalm 139:12-14

    …12Even the darkness is not dark to You, And the night is as bright as the day. Darkness and light are alike to You. 13For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. 14I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well.…

    Sirach 1:9It is he who created her; he saw her and took her measure; he poured her out upon all his works,

    This is just a hint of how God pours forth Wisdom, I will elaborate later.



    If Mary was Immaculately conceived by her mother and father , Mary’s whole family lineage would have to be sinless.
    This contradicts scripture . Romans 3:22-24. Mary was woven in wisdom though ,which is present in the womb of all holy people. She
    was to be untouched by man. She was chosen in her Virginal state. It was the season for the Messiah. No one
    prior to this could bring forth Christ. I'm sure Sarah would have been chosen in her virginal state if it was the
    season for His coming. It was not - so Mary was chosen. Mary became perfect and Immaculate when the Holy
    Spirit came upon her and Wisdom in FULL filled her. She was perfected spontaneously in accordance to the Incar-
    nation . She had to be and was Blessed among women to have this event designated for her.

    Unbeknownst to most people, the introduction of the Holy Spirit in the soul is Immaculate Conception. With all births there are conceptions
    this is also true for being born again. For Mary it was, as I said, instantly, for us it is a slow growth process which the Apostles demonstrate
    and help with , through their teachings. We eventually reach the point of ABIDING.

    THE ARK OF THE NEW AND EVERLASTING COVENANT:

    The Ark of the Covenant of the Old Testament was a symbol for this :
    According to the OT , The Mercy Seat (Hebrew: ha-kapporeth?) was the gold lid with two cherubim beaten out of the ends of it
    to cover and create the space into which God would appear. This gold cover was placed on the Ark of the Cove-
    nant. This was connected to the rituals of the Day of Atonement. Placed in the Ark were the Ten Command-
    ments, and the five books of Torah, Bread from heaven-Manna and the rod of Aaron. Sounds familiar. Is Mary,

    the Ark of the New Covenant? Lets look at the similarities, The OT Ark was prepared and overlaid with gold

    and Arch angels adorned it. The Most High overshadowed it revealing His power. The Ark of the OT was called

    the Mercy Seat. Hmm? Now Miriam (Mary) Practiced the rite of ritual washing all her life. An Arch Angel
    came to her, the Power of the Most High overshadowed her. The WORD =(Torah and 10 Commandments) was

    Placed in her= WORD INCARNATE, He is the Bread of Life , the true Manna from heaven. He is given a rod

    of iron to rule over all people and nations,= the Rod of Aaron and more. Sound like all is in favor according

    to scripture alone.


    She is the Ark of the New and Everlasting Covenant. The OT Ark was a wooden

    gold inlaid box, man is the image of God so, she is worth more because of being a person.

    Now the meaning of Rev.12 THE WOMAN,

    The Ark of the New and Everlasting Covenant , Theotokos =putting within a vessel , God.

    John 1:1-4 and 14

    The Eternal Word

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the be-

    ginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4

    In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did

    not comprehend it.

    The Word Becomes Flesh

    14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begot-

    ten of the Father, full of grace and truth.



    The WOMAN

    REVELATION 12



    Revelation 12. The Woman and the Dragon

    12 And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun,

    with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;

    2 she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.

    3 And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon,

    with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads.



    4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth.

    And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child,

    that he might devour her child when she brought it forth;

    5 she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron,

    but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,

    6 and the woman fled into the wilderness,

    where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days

    MEANING: first and foremost the Woman symbolizes Mary, and the Bride second, who will be fashioned after Mary.

    KURIA or . 2John 1-13. She is not what many biblical commentators have suggested. Kuria is the Elect end time Church, The
    Noble Lady and Kyria, her elect children means “Of the Lord” Kuria is fashioned after Mary and her children ( Kyria or some-
    times said like Kyrie )after Christ. All of which are in the Holy Spirit. Made in the image of means, in experiences and abilities.
    All are of the Holy Spirit, and will exhibit different gifts and abilities in accordance to the virtues of Jesus and Mary.




    Revelation 12:17

    17 Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her children, those who keep the com-
    mandments of God and hold the testimony of Jesus.

    Israel the country is not the Virgin Bride but will be the host of the Wedding Feast of Rev.19

    John 2:1-12

    The Wedding at Cana

    2 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. 2 Jesus also

    was invited to the wedding with his disciples. 3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.”
    4 And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” 5 His mother said to the ser-
    vants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

    6 Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty

    gallons. 7 Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And he

    said to them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast.” So they took it. 9 When the steward of

    the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had

    drawn the water knew), the steward of the feast called the bridegroom 10 and said to him, “Everyone serves the

    good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until

    now.” 11 This, the first of his signs, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee, and manifested his glory. And his disciples

    believed in him.
     
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    MEANING:Steward-







    stew·ard







    1 a person responsible for supplies of food







    2. an official appointed to supervise arrangements







    3. a person employed to manage another's property, especially a large house or estate.







    synonyms: (estate) manager, agent, overseer, custodian, caretaker;







    Israel is the Steward and is where the wedding feast of Rev.19 will take place. The Bridegroom and Bride in

    the mystery of the Wedding Feast at Canaan symbolize Christ and His Church. His Spirit will be fully present

    at this gathering. For wherever two or more are gathered in His name He is there in the midst of them.






    The wine served at the end of the wedding feast= The best for last: Served at the end of the Feast= End of Last

    days. Christ is pouring forth the best wine and serving it via the servants. These are those chosen by His mother,

    who says:" do whatever He tells you. " Before the wine is brought to the steward the servants already have the
    wine

    and know where it comes from.



    THE WOMAN CLOTHED WITH THE SUN.



    The sun represents the New and Everlasting Covenant, because the sun receives







    NO, light from another , but gives light to the lesser, the moon. The Moon represents







    the Old Covenant. It has no light of itself, = can not give understanding of it’s meaning.







    It is only in the light of the New Covenant, that the Old Covenant is clearly seen and
    understood . Mary stands upon the Old Covenant and is arrayed and clothed by the sun-







    this is because in her the Old and New are joined and the old is made new. It is seen







    in the new way through her. Her soul magnifies the Lord. Since she is Theotokos (God Bearer)=



    the Ark of the New and Everlasting Covenant..... the Bride=Church, needs to carry her before all!







    Miriam (Mary) has intimate understanding of those things concerning God.







    Luke 1:46-55











    Mary's Song of Praise: The Magnificat







    46 And Mary said,







    “My soul magnifies the Lord,47















    and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,48









    and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,48







    for he has looked on the humble estate of his servant.
     
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    For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;49







    for he who is mighty has done great things for me,







    and holy is his name.50



    And his mercy is for those who fear him



    from generation to generation.51



    He has shown strength with his arm;







    he has scattered the proud in the thoughts of their hearts;52







    he has brought down the mighty from their thrones







    and exalted those of humble estate;53







    he has filled the hungry with good things,







    and the rich he has sent away empty.54







    He has helped his servant Israel,







    in remembrance of his mercy,55







    as he spoke to our fathers,


    to Abraham and to his offspring forever.”







    The Magnificat proves ...that in her, the promise to the Old Covenant was fulfilled .







    Therefore, she is the Theotokos= Ark in which the Word was placed .







    Her soul magnifies the Lord. This means: as with all magnification , it brings that







    which seeks clarity, MAN - his vision closer -( spiritual sight), to Christ, to -understand the Word.







    The crown of 12 stars are the twelve apostles and the 12 elders of the Old







    Covenant, which as stated she is clothed in =Sun and is exalted upon =moon. In







    Her God has exalted Israel. For the Lord in His might has done great things for her.







    Without God the Father first exalting her above all , no other could be exalted.







    So, 2 x12= 24 elders are exalted in the Performance which first took place in her.







    12 from the moon=old covenant, and 12 from the sun=new covenant.







    Luke 1:41-45



    41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary,



    the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:


    2 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said,



    Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb



    43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?



    44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,



    the babe leaped in my womb for joy.







    45 And blessed is she that believed:







    for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.







    So, any denomination which rejects the exalting of Mary, rejects it’s own exalting.







    For in her song it states clearly:



    Luke 1:51-53



    51 He hath shewed strength with his arm;



    he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.



    52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats,



    and exalted them of low degree.



    53 He hath filled the hungry with good things;



    and the rich he hath sent empty away.



    So, all who reject her and the performance which took place in her, are accursed.



    For it is in this performance done in her that the offspring of Abraham is numbered



    amongst the stars. It is the posterity of Abraham, which are in her, and they are those



    from generation to generation who call her Blessed.



    All the house of God must exalt her as God has, as the the Ark of the New and



    Everlasting Covenant. And must accept all truths revealed in her and about her in scripture.
     
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    The number of those chosen as the Bride is in the Book of Revelation. Rev.14 and Rev.7.







    Interestingly enough this comes out to be 3, 7's , 3 glorifies the Holy Trinity and 7 is the number of comple-



    tion. This means the fullness of the Elect= end time Bride. This consist then







    of only 288,000 people. 144,000 each. The 144,000 of Rev.14 are specially chosen by the Virgin. And are



    out of denominations who cling to Mary as their mother.







    Hence is why they are called chaste or Virgin souls. They have not been defiled by women=







    false churches. They have been redeemed from mankind and are first fruits unto God. They are made spotless



    and no lie is found in them = "Immaculate"







    im·mac·u·late



    (especially of a person or their clothes) perfectly clean, neat, or tidy.







    "an immaculate white suit"







    synonyms: clean, spotless, ultraclean, pristine, unsoiled, unstained, unsullied; More shining,







    synonyms: unblemished, spotless, impeccable, unsullied, undefiled, untarnished, stainless .







    These people have become perfected before the Tribulation and have the Father's special protection over



    them. This is the mystery of Jacob and his two Brides. (That is for another thread.)



    This is concerning Mary. They rely on her intercession. They have not rejected her nor lied about her. They

    know veneration = esteem and is supported by scripture. I will reveal in another post.

    42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said,



    Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb



    43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?



    44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,



    the babe leaped in my womb for joy.







    45 And blessed is she that believed:







    for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.












    So, this is the fullness of the Bride. They will be of the First Resurrection Rev.20:4-6.Blessed are those who



    are part of the first Resurrection. And it will be these two groups who will take part in the Wedding Supper of



    the Lamb.Rev.19 this after the fall of Babylon. Which is close at hand. There is a calamity coming and only the

    Elect for sure will be preserved through it. Many will fall about 1/3 of mankind. Many will go underground as

    the sixth seal of Rev.6:12. states.







    "The Miracle" which will take place before His time (Mystery at the Wedding Feast at Canaan) is turning the

    WATER to Wine= Changing that which is impotent to potent= weak to strong. The



    "Chastisement" when He says: " WOMAN, what is this to do with me" is for the Bride , and NOT as a Chas-

    tisement for her but for those who would hinder her. Without this "Miracle"= the weak, "water" being made

    strong ="Turn to wine" she , the servants chosen by Mary would not be able to serve this Wine to Israel. This

    will seal the Jews who are to be, before the Chastisement of Rev.6. This will be a blow to the head of the Ma-
    sonic run

    kingdoms of the world and the denominations. It is before His time, meaning they will see Him who sits upon

    the Throne of His Father. It will be a terrifying reality, a complete removing of the veil. The left hand of God ,

    the accursed will see the face of He whom was slain from the foundation of the world. It is NOT His second

    coming, but before HIS TIME, a terrifying APPARITION!







    The Warning = Mary saying "Do whatever He tells you" The servants chosen by her must do whatever He

    tells them, they follow the Lamb wherever He goes , Rev.14. They are given a new song in which no one can

    learn except the 144,000. This is at hand. The completion of this portion of the Bride will be during the Warn-

    ing and Miracle. This is the Rachel part of Jacob and his two wives, the old Covenant is Leah. I will do another

    thread, too much to write here. But when they are joined , they will make the Completed Church, the ELECT

    Bride of the End Times. They are the first fruits unto God= FIRST RESURRECTION, Blessed are those who

    are of the First Resurrection. Rev.20







    All others who convert to Christianity after their teaching are their offspring Rev.12:17. They will be part of



    the second Resurrection. So of 7.6 billion people on the planet only 288,000 are Christ's Elect Bride the rest are

    her Elect children. Her work has already begun. Kuria is at present bring souls into the flock of God. And all

    those who are Holy will be spoken to by John the Beloved Apostle who is one of the Witnesses.







    God is AMAZING! And His Story mind blowing. His other Witness is Enoch. Both are on earth right now.

    They will be brought forth through Kuria and will begin their time of prophecy during a time of sackcloth and

    ashes for Israel and the World. I will show where in scripture the Two Witnesses are John the Beloved and
    Enoch

    in another thread.



    I HAVE ALREADY SHOWN WHO THE TWO WITNESSES ARE BEFORE I POSTED THIS INFORMATION.
     
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    Perhaps you could actually read what I posted, or I will simply ignore yours as you do mine. (Also, if you could actually take the time to format your post, instead of just copy/pasting from some website please.)

    EO - "... “From 1963 to 1968, Bartholomew pursued his postgraduate studies at the Pontifical Oriental Institute in Rome, the Ecumenical Institute of Bossey in Switzerland and the Ludwig Maximilians University of Munich in Germany. His doctoral research was on the Canon Law. The same year he became a lecturer in the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome.” ..." = http://vaticanassassins.org/2010/06...-patriarch-of-constantinople-the-second-rome/

    Why would you want to believe what a gnostic, like Origen (ca. 250's), had to say, and so 'late in the game' (as they say)? Why would you want to believe the frauds of the corrupt Alexandrians, or the corrupt councils, rather than what the pure scripture plainly says?

    I care not for those 'councils'.

    Please read the following history:

    "... The term was certainly in use by the 3rd century. Athanasius of Alexandria in 330, Gregory the Theologian in 370, John Chrysostom in 400, and Augustine all used theotokos.[17]

    Origen (d. 254) is often cited as the earliest author to use theotokos for Mary (Socrates, Ecclesiastical History 7.32 (PG 67, 812 B) citing Origen's Commentary on Romans). Although this testimony is uncertain, the term was used c. 250 by Dionysius of Alexandria, in an epistle to Paul of Samosata.[18]

    The Greek version of the hymn Sub tuum praesidium contains the term, in the vocative, as ΘΕΟΤΟΚΕ. The oldest record of this hymn is a papyrus found in Egypt, mostly dated to after 450,[19] but according to a suggestion by de Villiers (2011) possibly older, dating to the mid-3rd century.[18]

    The use of Theotokos was formally affirmed at the Third Ecumenical Council held at Ephesus in 431. The competing view, advocated by Patriarch Nestorius of Constantinople, was that Mary should be called Christotokos, meaning "Birth-giver of Christ," ..." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos

    "... 49. The object of this session was the establishment of the faith; and the object was accomplished. The first thing was the reading of a form of doctrine which, according to arrangement made in the second session, had been framed, and also the day before had been "unanimously approved." As soon as it was read, however, there was an objection made against it: -- {1901 ATJ, ECE 172.5}

    John bishop of Germanicia -- "This formula is not good; it must be improved." {1901 ATJ, ECE 172.6}

    Anatolius. -- "Did it not yesterday give universal satisfaction?" {1901 ATJ, ECE 172.7}

    The bishops in acclamation. -- "It is excellent, and contains the Catholic faith. Away with the Nestorians! The expression 'Theotokos' [Mother of God] must be received into the creed." {1901 ATJ, ECE 172.8}

    Leo's legates. -- "If the letter of Leo is not agreed to, we demand our papers, so that we may return home, and that a synod may be held in the West." {1901 ATJ, ECE 172.9}

    50. The imperial commissioners then suggested that a commission composed of six bishops from the East, three from Asia, three from Illyria, three from Pontus, and three from Thrace, with the archbishop of Constantinople and the Roman legates, should meet in the presence of the commissioners, and decide upon a formula of the faith, and bring it before the council. The majority of the bishops, however, loudly demanded that the one just presented should be accepted and subscribed by all, and charged John of Germanicia with being a Nestorian: -- {1901 ATJ, ECE 172.10} ..." - Ecclesastical Empire, Chapter XI (11) - Theological Controversy - Council of Chalcedon, The Fifth Session, October 22; pages 172.5-172.10; by Alonzo T. Jones - https://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/ecclesiastical_empire.pdf

    you can see the same material in The Two Republics, Chapter XIX (19) - The Pope made Author of the Faith, October 22, by Alonzo T. Jones - https://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/the_two_republics.pdf
     
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    Yeah, that about sums up the religion of Rome's error, "ALL THINGS MARY CONTINUED".

    You are looking to the creature, rather than to the Creator, Jesus Christ, and even a false image of that creature at that, since the Mary of the scripture is not the "Mary" of Rome.

    Philippians 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
    In all the Epistles of Paul, he does not make mention of Mary once, nor does Peter, nor James, nor Jude, nor of John (Epistles & Revelation). The last mention of Mary in the scripture by name is in the book of Acts 1:14, "the mother of Jesus", not "theotokos". Paul even mentions his own mother, in Galatians 1:15.
     
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    You said the blessing and miracle came through Mary's obedience. Sounds like a hail Mary to me.
     
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    All I know is that you've spent 2-3 pages, jumping through more hoops than a circus animal, trying to prove that the Blessed Virgin was not the Mother of God. I don't "venerate" myself... however, I do use the reasoning and deduction that God gave me to accept the Theotokos title... just as the early Church fathers did. The same method and spirit of discerment that lead them to develop the doctrine of the Trinity is the same method and spirit that lead them to develop the title "Theotokos" Or do you not believe in the doctrine of the Trinity? I do apologize, but I hold in much higher regard the knowledge and discernment of the early fathers, than I do your own. The scriptures clearly and unequivocally bear out the title.

    In contrast, it appears it will take more than 2-3 pages of scriptural hoop-jumping to form even the slightest opposition to "Theotokos".
     
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    No, and it is obvious you are Catholic.

    Here is what I said, specifically:

    Faith in God's word. Obedience is merely the fruit of that living faith in God's word, as James clearly details in James 2:1-26.

    The blessing and miracle always comes through living faith, as it is written:

    Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

    Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

    Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
    Jesus is the blessing. He is the Word of God, believed:

    Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
    Consider, Jesus said (the word of God):

    John 1:50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
    Mary was indeed blessed for having believed God's word, and acted upon that faith. Many women in scriprure are likewise blessed for having done the same, like Eve from the beginning (Genesis 3:15, Genesis 4:1). I gave a list of those in the posts prior - https://www.baptistboard.com/thread...raiders-of-the-ark.109391/page-2#post-2432893

    "... [Shortened] Mary is indeed, “blessed” (Luke 1:42,45,48), but so were many woman of scripture who believed and were obedient (Genesis 1:28, 5:2, 30:13; Judges 5:24; 1 Samuel 2:20, 25:32-33, see also the blessed “church in the wilderness”, the great Woman of God, Deuteronomy 28:3,4,5,6; Psalms 89:15, 106:3, 112:1, 119:1,2, 128:1; Proverbs 8:34, 31:28; Isaiah 32:30; Jeremiah 17:7; Malachi 3:12; Romans 4:7-8; Galatians 3:9, etc), for instance, see:

    Genesis 30:13 KJB - And Leah said, Happy am I, for the daughters will call me blessed: and she called his name Asher.

    Judges 5:24 KJB - Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

    1 Samuel 2:20 KJB - And Eli blessed Elkanah and his wife, and said, The LORD give thee seed of this woman for the loan which is lent to the LORD. And they went unto their own home.

    1 Samuel 25:32 KJB - And David said to Abigail, Blessed be the LORD God of Israel, which sent thee this day to meet me:

    1 Samuel 25:33 KJB - And blessed be thy advice, and blessed be thou, which hast kept me this day from coming to shed blood, and from avenging myself with mine own hand.

    Proverbs 31:28 KJB - Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

    Song of Solomon 6:9 KJB - My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her.​

    Likewise anyone obedient to God, and receptive to His grace:

    Psalms 1:1, 32:1, 118:26, 128:1; Isaiah 56:2; Jeremiah 17:7; Matthew 5:3-11, 11:6, 13:16, 24:26, 25:34; Luke 6:20-22, 7:23; John 20:29; Revelation 22:7
    So that none would mistake the blessing that Mary had, Jesus said:

    God forbid that Roman Catholicism usurp the glory from Christ Jesus, and place it upon Mary. She is not the blessing. Jesus is. All blessing comes through Him:

    Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    Romans 15:29 And I am sure that, when I come unto you, I shall come in the fulness of the blessing of the gospel of Christ.​

    Faith is the gift of God, which comes through hearing God's word:

    Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.​

    It doesn't originate with Mary.

    Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.​
     
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    Fallen human reasoning and the contradictory so-called 'ecf', which denies the word itself, and each other.

    You also did not deal with what was shared in those 2-3 pages, that is the real test.

    You also did not respond to the texts cited.

     
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    Sticking and pasting my own work. As for formatting I had to break up my information , I was not about to retype what is extensive .I had to cut and paste due to the character amount restrictions. How about this I am under time constraint, I will read your work , but simply tell me , do you believe Mary is the Theotokos -God Bearer. If so then I have no beef with you. I know she is. My apologies if I assumed anything concerning you. I was simply responding to a lot of garbage I read outside of your OP because they were in my sight first. I will read what you posted thoroughly ,again my apologies if I assumed anything about you or your post. Peace in Yeshua ha Machiach.
     
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