That's why I qualified the neo-pharisaical brand of fundamentalism. Their view of sanctification places a yoke on the necks of people that they cannot bear. It's not just wrong, it's dangerous.
To the Calvinists here: what part of Non cal theology Bothers you the Most?
Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Yeshua1, May 22, 2013.
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My initial dialogue with you and everyone else was cordial until you started with your vitriol. But in the process, I have seen all of your cards on the table. Your worldliness, your ego: I mean wow, who keeps a tally of how many believers voted against another believer? What kind of Christian tells someone they are "OWNED" and got "Thumped by the BIble" because they think they won a debate?
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We don't think we've won, we in fact did win. Your assumptions were proven incorrect by actual Calvinist/Reformed/DoG brothers and sisters, not to mention the Word of God.
Yes, your initial dialogue started off cordial until your true self emerged...but now it's everyone else's fault. The problem my friend is with you and this is why you see this pattern 'happening' to you in this forum.
While I will readily admit that my word usage above was inappropriate the results of said words represent the event factually. You have been proven incorrect by the Word. I do however apologize to you my friend.
As far as pointing to a poll, there is nothing remotely sinful in so doing. It is simply another indicator showing your assumptions about the Reformed/Calvinist/DoG brethren incorrect. That is what you find 'sinful'. :love2:
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God is long suffering....TO usward....not willing that any perish...
the text is declaring not one of God's true elect people will perish...He is not willing that any of them perish, hence the long-suffering...
Greek tim called you on your "doctorate". No one with proper training would say these things......verses out of context, calling GT a drunk, another man , moron, etc.....repent:thumbsup:
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DrJamesAch said: ↑It is amazing that you responded to the issue about alcohol, and ignored the issue about you siding with the Pharisees about Christ. I guess that proves what's more important to you.
Now for your lesson about alcohol, because AA apparently isn't helping you (not that it could),
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." Prov 20:1
"Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!" Isaiah 5:11
"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit" Eph 5:18
" For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation." 1 Thess 5:7-8
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preacher4truth said: ↑My friend,
We don't think we've won, we in fact did win. Your assumptions were proven incorrect by actual Calvinist/Reformed/DoG brothers and sisters, not to mention the Word of God.
Yes, your initial dialogue started off cordial until your true self emerged...but now it's everyone else's fault. The problem my friend is with you and this is why you see this pattern 'happening' to you in this forum.
While I will readily admit that my word usage above was inappropriate the results of said words represent the event factually. You have been proven incorrect by the Word. I do however apologize to you my friend.
As far as pointing to a poll, there is nothing remotely sinful in so doing. It is simply another indicator showing your assumptions about the Reformed/Calvinist/DoG brethren incorrect. That is what you find 'sinful'. :love2:
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Winman said: ↑What a joke! Your children were born speaking lies? How did you know they were lying, do you speak gobbilty-goop?
And if you take verse 3 as literal, do you take the following verses literally as well?
Psa 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
5 Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.
6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.
7 Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.
8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
Were your children born poisonous like an adder shown in verse 4? My, that would make breast feeding rather dangerous don't you think? :laugh:
Were your children born with a mouthful of great teeth like a young lion's as shown in verse 6? That would be rather startling to see!
Did they melt like snails as shown in verse 8? Better keep salt away from them!
This shows how ridiculous this view is. Psalm 58 is obvious exaggeration and should not be taken literally. To form doctrine from this Psalm is pure foolishness, that was not the purpose of this Psalm.
And what language did your children speak when they truly began to speak? Mine spoke English, just as their mother and father spoke. All children speak the language of their parents. You don't have a child with English speaking parents speak Spanish, or any other language. Therefore it is obvious children learn language and the ability to speak from hearing their parents and siblings around them. This is also where they hear lies and LEARN to lie.
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HeirofSalvation said: ↑DrJamesAch said: ↑Well put. Some have exposed that conflict in Calvinism before. God would (if the determinist be correct) essentially be constantly debating by proxy with himself at any time there is disagreement about Calvinism. If Calvinism is true, than God is consistently playing a Theological Chess match with himself.......in fact, this thread would be that very thing. God, by proxy, debating Theology with himself. It's absurd.
The reality of the situation is as you explained it here:
God happens to be Omnipotent enough and Sovereign enough to choose whether he does or does not WANT to causally determine all things. And he has simply chosen not to. Obviously, he COULD....but, he can choose not to if he so pleases. And he has elected not to.Click to expand...Click to expand...
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