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TRUMP Links Guns and Mental Health

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by HankD, Aug 16, 2019.

  1. HankD

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    ‘We have to start building institutions again’: Trump again links guns and mental health

    the problem is - what are the criteria for "mental illness" and who determines the criteria and subsequent seizure of firearms

    e.g, is simply seeking the help/treatment of a psychologist or psychiatrist serious enough grounds for confiscation of firearms?

    ‘We have to start building institutions again’: Trump again links guns and mental health

    Red flag laws often have bipartisan support. But do they stop mass shootings?
     
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    The problem is that the mental hospitals began in 1750 or so and closed starting with the Kennedy administration. Some say that the mental hospitals were staffed with conscientious objectors during WW II and they after the war pushed for the abolishment of hospitalization due to their communist sympathies and desires for chaos. They are probably the ones talking about stigmatization of mental illness, which is something like calling everyone a racist in terms of a cause to not have a hospital for sick people.

    If a person is medically diagnosed with an incurable debilitating mental illness requiring medicine for the rest of his life, then he should not be able to own a gun. Furthermore, new mental hospitals should be built to provide care for people who have no family to care for them.

    Indianapolis and many other big cities have streets full of transient mentally ill. In one stark case, there was a middle-aged man living in the alleys downtown behind a hotel and receiving disability from the federal government. His family could not take care of him and he had not been put in a mental hospital and had not committed a crime to cause him to be sent to jail or to prison. Eventually he was kicked to death by four or five teenage boys in a downtown Indianapolis alley. About a week later, one of them suffered remorse and turned himself in and named the others or the police probably never would have solved the case as the police said that they had no leads. All of this happened because Indiana does not have much left in the way of mental hospitals.
     
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    PTSD Veterans and Gun Rights

    If you are one of the many veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), you are entitled to understand your Second Amendment rights. Every state has different gun laws, so it is essential to review local laws or consult a veterans law attorney to determine if your PTSD could prevent you from owning or buying a gun.

    Veterans with PTSD and Gun Ownership | PTSD Lawyers
     
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    I don't think that Veterans Administration should be able to affect anyone's legal rights by an in-house ruling but should have to have a court decision or the decision should be determined by pre-existing law. Bill Cunningham was broadcasting last Sunday night near midnight that Americans want to go to court and have the police remove the guns but they want to leave the mentally ill person without compassionate mental health care.

    If a person suffers from mental illness and then uses illegal drugs, that makes the medical condition exponentially worse, as you know.

    Two thirds of gun deaths are suicides.

    Three-fourths of mass shooters are blacks and so are the victims of such shootings. Many other countries have higher rates of mass shootings. If you extract New York City, Chicago, and Los Angeles from the statistics there is not much left.

    If the federal government cannot even monitor a high-level prisoner, imagine how any government agency could provide for the well-being and security of the individual citizen. One would think that the twentieth century, the darkest century in world history, wherein tens of millions of people died at the hands of their own governments, would serve as an example that the government very quickly can become an enemy of its own citizens. If nothing else, look how quickly the UK became a police state to accommodate Muslims and the left under the conservative government of May. Of course, the UK never had a bill of rights in the first place.
     
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    Why isn't there an outcry about the number of suicides among both teenagers and adults?
     
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    Because we are an expendable commodity - irredeemable deplorables which stink of Walmart, clinging to our guns and bibles and serve no useful purpose unless we vote as we are told so we just better off our selves and be done with it.
     
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    Don't know. Dems don't value life so it's consistent for them.
     
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    The title is wrong. He did not link guns and mental health, he did link the shootings and mental health.
     
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    Cars do far more damage!

    Let’s safe a life and ban cars, and sharks.
     
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    And cigarette lighters and matches! :)
     
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    "In 2016, there were 1,342,000 fires reported in the United States. These fires caused 3,390 civilian deaths, 14,650 civilian injuries, and $10.6 billion in property damage. 475,500 were structure fires, causing 2,950 civilian deaths, 12,775 civilian injuries, and $7.9 billion in property damage."

    Yes, just think of all the lives, property and money could be saved if we banned matches and cigarette lighters!

    True we don't know for sure how many of these fires were caused by matches and lighters but like the progressives say WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!

    NFPA reports - U.S. fire problem
     
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    It is obvious the left cares not for real lives, they care for grabbing power & keeping it. If they can throw some emotional language out there to achieve it, they will, whether it’s healthcare or guns, which are both necessary for them to control to have power over the people. They are the party of death & slavery in the modern day sense.
     
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    Dems think "Born Free" is about socialized medicine. :(
     
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