Featured TULIP POLL

Where you and I differ is that you think God's call is ineffectual and therefore the atonement is ineffectual for many.
I think the call is always effectual because the atonement is for the elect, not for those who are eternally corrupt in their sins.

 

I will only accept the P, once saved, always saved.

The rest are (in my God given opinion) distortions of the truth and untrue, and only came about because some men think they are 'special' and want to be an elite club of the saved. Who also believe we are robotic beings to an All Loving All Holy God, who chooses based on His opinion, which is based entirely on His own authority and does not take into account man's free will choice (which I personalty believe the Bible shows we DO have based on MULTIPLE scripture which the Calvinists like to twist to say they only pertain to His elite, while also denying the fact that if the Chosen had a choice to choose God, then they are infarct against their own doctrine of man having, to them, no choice)

So yeah, other than the P, I think the rest of TULIP is phony baloney macaroni.

 

What are you saying? Those who don't hold to the 5 unbiblical points of this TULIP don't glorify God? Who are you to judge whether someone glorifies God in their life? Some do it aloud, some in their hearts, what does it matter? You are judging unjustly imo.

 

Your theology would have how many points left over then?

 

Or I think there’s a general calling to humanity then a special calling for the elect.

 

It's "perseverance of the saints", and if written that way, I reject all 5 [as defined by Calvinists] on Biblical grounds, but that wasn't an option...

 

You are right. And if the 5th point is "perseverance of the saints", then even that would be wrong.

 

So you feel that once a person accepts Christ as their Lord, they could potentially lose their salvation by 'falling away'?

 

At least 27 people have voted. Fourteen believe in all 5 points. Thirteen believe in total depravity, but not all of the five points.

 

Utterly false

 

Absolutely not, at least not in the church age. It's just that perseverance of the saints and preservation of the saints are not exactly the same thing. The latter is Biblical in the church age, the former exists nowhere in scripture.

I believe in eternal security of the believer, but only in this church age, and I am not a Calvinist.

 

A person can believe in OSAS without accepting the other four bogus points.

 

is the salvation calling to all or just some then?

 

It all links together, as all 5 are found in the Bible!

 

To hold to calvinism, one must be all in, as no such thing as a 3 or 4 point calvinist!

 

They are free to choose whatever they believe, even if it means doing all the work themselves. Which the whole doctrine teaches. They have no free will to stipulate, by their own ability to persevere. God only did the work of changing their will. The rest is up to them. They willed themselves in sin. They will, will themselves to heaven. That is reformed theology, in their own, nut shell.

 

There is a principle taught in scripture where God promises to reveal himself to anyone that asks him to. That there is general revelation of the existence of God seem in the created things. If one looks upon creation and recognizes that a creator is there and rejects his idols, God promises more light eventually leading to a white dude showing up at the hut with a Bible