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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Salty, Jun 23, 2020.

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  1. Total Depravity

  2. Unconditional Election

  3. Limited Atonement

  4. Irresistible Grace

  5. Preservation of the Saints

  6. I accept 1 or 2 of these

  7. I accept 3 or 4 of these

  8. I accept all 5

  9. other remark -

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  1. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
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    I think we have done this before but because we have many new members.....

    To keep things on the same level - here is T U L I P

    I know some will say - "I don't do labels" well, whether you do or not -
    you do believe theses items - one way or the other - and if you don't know
    as a Christian - you have a responsibility to learn from Scripture what the truth is.
     
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    well;;, its all or nothing on TULIP!
     
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  3. Sai

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    Total depravity
    Unlimited atonement
    Irresistible grace
    Perseverance of God
     
  4. Salty

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    You need to go back and check all five points - in addition the "number of points you voted for)"
     
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    I see a nuanced difference between the preservation of the saints and the perseverance of the saints.
    I believe the perseverance of the saints is more accurate.
     
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    I accept a Total Depravity.

    I accept a conditional Unmerited Election.

    I accept a general redemption where Christ died to be Lord of all, either to be one's condemning Judge or one's Savior.

    I accept God's grace is offered to all, resisted by the perishing.

    I accept that God keeps all whom He saves. None of those He saves can be lost.


    Because of the general redemption everyone's name starts out in Christ in His book. Those who can recieve God's grace must do so or their name is removed from His book. Those who are not of an ability to recieve God's gift do not loose it, Mark 10:14.
     
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    I consider your last paragraph to be in error and your prooftext entirely out of context. Your position is entirely semi-pelagian, which causes your position to have massive contradiction.
     
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    My view point is anti-pelagian. Names are in the book of life solely by the redemption of Christ without any merit on the part of those whose names are in the book. Those who come of age to keep God's undeserved favor must accept it without merit. This is not universalism. You do not like my understanding. What Biblical truth do I deny? Again I am neither Arminianist or Calvinist.
     
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    Limited atonement is not necessary as the cross is not, the only saving instrumentation.
     
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    Other - none and all (no in-between) depending on how they are defined.

    Calvinism works off a system where one cannot be a Calvinist without being a "five-point Calvinist". I believe the system an introduction of humanistic philosophy into Christianity. But at the same time I can affirm all five points divorced from the system of Calvinism.
     
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    The cross rendered all men savable. But not all are saved. Because without divine enabling the elect cannot come to Christ. Which for me is a huge relief. Because I don’t have to argue doctrine with a Mormon or scripture with an atheist, all I need do is present the gospel and the Holy Spirit does the rest. I don’t judge who is elect on the basis of his outside works or character or religious belief, I merely explain the free grace salvation of God in Christ and let God handle them. The doctrine of election saves so much misplaced evangelism.
     
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    PEOPLE!!! For those of you who voted "5 points" you need to change
    your vote to also vote for each item as well. -
    At the moment the poll is telling me that out of 6 people who have vote
    not one of you believe in:
    1. Unconditional Election
    2. Limited Atonement
    3. Irresistible Grace
     
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    ‘Five pointer’ here...
     
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    Humans are by birth good and perfect until they choose to deny God. They are, by birth, saved and their names are in the book of life, until they reach an age of accountability where they can have their name expunged.
    Dear Sir, that is full-fledged Pelagianism on your part. I was mistaken to say semi-pelagian.

    Now that I think it through, I think your position is as unorthodox as it can get.
     
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    Seems you need to fix your poll.
     
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    Your position results in God being weak.
    His atonement is universal, but it only saves some. Therefore, his atonement is ineffective for most.
    It's like a flu virus that is only helpful to a few, but most still get the flu.
     
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    Universalism is heresy.
     
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    Of course, which means unlimited atonement preaches a weak God who died for all, but only saved some.
    The analogy of a flu vaccine that only helps some, but not all is therefore accurate for those who hold to unlimited atonement.
     
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    Not Biblical. Acts of the Apostles 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
    1 Timothy 2:5-6, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
     
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    The cross is not, the only saving instrumentality
     
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