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Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Reformed, Nov 11, 2019.

  1. Reformed

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    Am I the only one who has tuned out anything to do with the impeachment circus going on in Washington? I just cannot take politics anymore. I find myself getting angry when I listen to the news.
     
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    No, you are not the only one. I gave up TV news and TV news shows several years ago. Since you are getting angry over the news, its sounds like it's your turn.

    For me the impeachment story is a non issue because:

    1. The military aid to Ukraine was not withheld.
    2. Ukraine did not do an investigation into Biden.
    3. At the time of the phone call at the center of the issue, Ukraine did not know the military aid would possibly be withheld.

    I get most of my news from internet news apps, which can be customized for content and news sources. I rarely even look at the headlines anymore because they are so biased. I've noticed even Drudge has joined the chorus. Also, I've unfollowed some accounts on Twitter because they had become dedicated to the impeachment issue.
     
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    No, you are not. The news services have been throwing mud at Trump non stop from even before he was President. Some people have believed them. "Tell a lie often enough" and people will start to believe it. In my opinion, our media is so biased, it would be hard to believe them if they had their complaints recorded live. Right now, it is so likely that someone on the left would hire someone to lie about Trump, how can we believe anything that they report.

    Easiest just to ignore all the lies. If there is any truth in what they are saying how could you know?
     
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    It's a two-edged sword. Do I want to tune out? Sometimes, yes. But I believe it is our duty to know what is being said so we can speak truth.
     
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    The current 24 hour news cycles are like a soap opera. You can miss it for a while and come back to.it and not really miss out on anything.
     
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    Yes, because the State Department under John Bolton authorized its release, without approval from the President, because it was illegal to hold it. Trump fired Bolton a day or two afterward, apparently over this matter.

    Attempted extortion is still illegal, no matter if it is successful. By way of comparison, attempted bribery, attempted murder, attempted hijacking, attempted robbery, attempted rape, attempted treason, and attempted terrorism are also all illegal.

    Actually, they did. If you have been paying attention to transcripts of witness testimony, as well as other sources, you would know that they knew soon after Trump had communicated the freeze to our government officials on July 18, 2019.
     
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    It was detained even though some in the state dept. didnt like it.


    Yep and they should have. Biden is not above the law just because he is a pres. Candidate. There were legitimate reasons to do so.

    And the Uk prez said he never felt any pressure to do anything. Something the dems want to ovrrlook
     
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    I cut the cable a year ago. I just couldn't afford it anymore. I don't pay any attention to impeachment. It is strictly a political issue. The Dems have a debate on the 20th I think. They have primaries early next year and don't have a real candidate at this time. Trump probably will touch off a GOP landslide so it doesn't matter if they impeach or not--however, if they do impeach, that will make impeachment the main issue next year and I am not sure if the Dems want that. They cannot get a conviction. It just amounts to the fact that Dems cannot get along with anyone and cannot cooperate in the slightest for the good of the country. I think the Trump impeachment is like the impeachment of Andrew Johnson.

    That's my opinion.

    I think that C.S. Lewis commented on not following the news everyday because it is so negative and detracts from one's Christian life.

    Ecclesiastes 1:9 (KJV) The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.
     
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    OK. I’m often over the top too. Meh. I won’t ask you for an example, because then you might have to actually look at the site.
     
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    You assume I don't look at the site. You would be wrong. Here is an example. National Radio Host Demonstrates Mohler is Not a Conservative, His Positions Are From Politics Rather Than Conviction

    They take things out of context, twist things, and misrepresent things that have actually happened. The Mefferd segment was RIDICULOUS and shows she shouldn't even be allowed on the air.
     
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    It's not a matter of loyalty to a cause, it is a matter of facts.
     
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    By the way, my point was NOT to say don't read Pulpit and Pen, I read them regularly. My point was that we need to be discerning about everything we take in.
     
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    He may not have felt pressure, but do you really think that a foreign leader who is depending on the continuation of foreign aid would admit to feeling pressure, even if he did?

    I don't think we can put any stock at all in the Ukrainian president's position here. The incentives to lie here are far too great.

    Again, that doesn't necessarily mean he DID feel pressure, but the Ukrainian president would gain absolutely nothing by saying that he did feel pressure. He would look weak within his own country. He would look weak in the face of Putin. He would risk causing all sorts of backlash from the USA, and it would definitely look like meddling.

    And if he took the neutral ground of trying to stay out and offering no comment? It would be perceived as an admission that he did feel pressure.

    The only statement that makes any political sense for his own benefit and for the benefit of his country is to say he felt no pressure. Whether that is completely true, completely false, or somewhere in between is totally irrelevant.
     
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    We know he did not feel any pressure because it is obvious from the TRANSCRIPT that there was NO PRESSURE. That's the thing. We KNOW what was said or not said on the call.
     
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    It is not at all obvious. That transcript could easily be interpreted as applying pressure, and that interpretation is plausible. It's also a plausible read that there was no pressure being applied. It's also possible (even likely) that the two people on the call weren't entirely on the same page.

    The imbalance of power between the US and Ukraine is such that much can be implied without being explicitly stated. Additionally, Trump's reputation is that of a "deal maker" (for good or for bad). These things are not evidence of pressure, but they are reasons why the argument that there was pressure shouldn't be summarily dismissed.
     
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    And now we have eisigesis of the transcript. :p
     
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