Turns out Jeb isn't the only one...

I noticed Colorado had seroius voter fraud going on among felons. When were you going to complain about that one?

 

Galatian's link refers to Nevada, not Colorado.
Even if the allegations in one state are determined to be factual, I am not sure how the other state has any relevance.

 

Larry just wants Galatian to be objective and unbiased, like him.

 

I was referring to a situation in which Galatian complains about voter fraud when it goes one way but appears not to complain about voter fraud going the other way. When legal people are prevented from voting, Galatian complains loudly. When illegal voters register to vote, Galatian seems to have a hard time finding his voice.

IT certainly would improve his posting and raise the level of the conversation.

 

Where is that "flying pig" emoticon when you need it?

 

Ken once gave me the "vomiting" emoticon, but I lost it.

 

So, once again, how do the allegations in Colorado influence the point Galatian is making about Nevada? Did you read the article? That is quite a serious charge, if it is indeed proven true. Did you notice the last sentence(s) in the article?

Notwithstanding the point you are trying to make, how does Colorado fit into Galatian's discussion of Nevada? Are you addressing the charges against the people who allegedly did this, or are you addressing your perceptions of Galatian?

 

They don't that I know of. I reviewed my post and couldn't find any place that I said they did. I didn't read the article. I am not in a position to do anything about it and it doesn't affect me. I am glad that someone is doing something about it. Every legal voter should have the chance to vote. No illegal voter should be able to vote.

The topic is voter fraud. Galatian in the past has been partial to certain kinds of voter fraud, complaining when he thinks Republicans might benefit. I was simply asking, as I have before, if the other side matters to him. He did not seem terribly concerned that illegal voters might vote in Florida. I was curious if he was concerned about it in Colorado, or if this was just selective complaining.

 

They don't that I know of. I reviewed my post and couldn't find any place that I said they did. I didn't read the article. I am not in a position to do anything about it and it doesn't affect me. I am glad that someone is doing something about it. Every legal voter should have the chance to vote. No illegal voter should be able to vote.

The topic is voter fraud. Galatian in the past has been partial to certain kinds of voter fraud, complaining when he thinks Republicans might benefit. I was simply asking, as I have before, if the other side matters to him. He did not seem terribly concerned that illegal voters might vote in Florida. I was curious if he was concerned about it in Colorado, or if this was just selective complaining. </font>[/QUOTE]Are you saying that you have proof that Democrats had a role in getting those felons onto the Colorado voting rolls? Let's see it. The situation in Nevada is we know that registrations are being torn up. That's a different matter.

 

Folks, listen ... You guys are jumping to conclusions. Galatian pointed out voter fraud, which is inexcusable. I pointed out that Colorado also has very public allegations of voter fraud, with one guy claiming to have registered 35 times, and apparently more than 6,000 felons being registered to vote. Galatian hadn't mentioned it. I was simply asking when he was going to.

Party affiliation had nothing to do with it at all. It is wrong no matter which party does it.

Stop jumping to conclusions and just deal with the facts at hand.

 

Do you want to provide evidence that Bush was behind this now, or do like you did last time and make unsubstantiated charges?

And would you like to explain how illegal voters will be kept from voting in Florida under your plan to abolish the voter fraud program in Florida.

If you remember our discussion, you remember that I deplored the exclusion of legal voters, but you refused to say anything about the inclusion of illegal voters. You accused me of twisting teh story and missing the point, as I recall.

I am simply saying that all voter fraud needs to be stopped. The fact that some legal voters were excluded is no reason to completely abandon the plan. That is an unthinking, illogical solution to a very real problem. All voter fraud should be stopped.

 

Which means that there is still no evidence that Bush intended to disenfranchise anyone. In fact, if you remember, one of the links you posted cleared Bush of any wrongdoing in the matter.

Your recommendation to scrap the voter fraud program in Florida opens the door to illegal voters. With no program to determine legal vs illegal voters, the door is open to voter fraud. We should not scrap the program in any state. We should refine it.

 

Just a thought...

Aside from all the arguments both ways, I think that many of the problems could be easier handled if there were not so much emphasis on making it easy to register. I'm not proposing that people should have to jump through hoops, but if the system can be made more secure at the expense of making it a bit more difficult to register, I think it would be a bargain.

If someone doesn't want to vote badly enough to make a small effort to register, then they probably aren't inclined to educate themselves to the necessary knowledge to cast an informed vote, anyway.

 

Just a thought...

Aside from all the arguments both ways, I think that many of the problems could be easier handled if there were not so much emphasis on making it easy to register. I'm not proposing that people should have to jump through hoops, but if the system can be made more secure at the expense of making it a bit more difficult to register, I think it would be a bargain.

If someone doesn't want to vote badly enough to make a small effort to register, then they probably aren't inclined to educate themselves to the necessary knowledge to cast an informed vote, anyway.

 

I agree Jim. I think motor voter was a very bad idea. I think people ought to have to show legal citizenship and residence to register and they ought to have to provide verifiable ID (meaning picture ID) to vote at the polls. There is no reason why some simple safeguards cannot be taken.