The 5 points of Calvinism are: Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irristable Grace, and Perserverance of the Saints. Over the past several months, people on BB have identified themselves as: 3-point, 4-point or 5-point Calvinists. Some claim to believe only one of two points of Calvinism. Some refer to hyper-Calvinists.
Are there generally agreed upon definitions for each type of Calvinists?
Do all 4-point Calvinists believe the same 4 points? If so, which one don't they believe?
Do all 3-point Calvinists believe the same 3 points? If so, which two don't they believe?
Same type of questions for 2 and 1 point Calvinists.
Is there a pecking order of points that people don't believe?
Does everyone agree on the difference between a 5-point Calvinist and a hyper-Calvinist?
As I recall when these titles were used, others seemed to know which points these were.
If there are different grouping, which ones generally go together?
Can anybody help?
Types of Calvinists
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by drfuss, Jul 25, 2006.
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drfuss. I meant to define a hyper calvinist for you. A hyper calvinist would be one who does not believe missions is necessary. They would also believe in double predestination. Double predestination is the belief that one is predestined to salvation and also to damnation. God does not predestine anyone to damnation, he just leaves them to their own nature and they freely choose to not believe. I know a lot of people have a problem with that.... I'm just informing you of the views. A hyper calvinist may or may not believe in both of these. One may believe in double predestination or one may believe that no missions are necessary. Any form of hyper calvinism is not biblical.
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Someone can correct me if I am wrong here but under the term Hyper Calvinist fall the two terms Supralapsarian and Sublapsarian.
The former believing (generally speaking) that God predetermined a certain number would be saved and a certain number would be lost (prior to creation) and that both the saved and the lost would be a testament to the glory of God and his sovereignty.
The later believe that God created man and placed him in an environment of a works based worship and allowed him to fall thereby setting in motion God’s sovereign mercy by which some are elect to salvation and the rest are consigned to righteous judgment.
Either way a Hyper Calvinist would believe in total predestination being either eternally secure or eternally damned by God’s righteous sovereignty.
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Help me Lord to restrain myself!!:praying:
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Supralapsarian is one of the top held views of soteriological elements of God's decree's
Supralapsarianism <<---Hyper Calvinist (or I should say, all that I have meet. Though this does not make a Hyper-Calvinist..or at least in my view it does not)
Elect some, reprobate rest
Create
Permit Fall
Provide salvation for elect
Call elect to salvation
Infralapsarianism<<< most other Calvinist
Create
Permit Fall
Elect some, pass over the rest
Provide salvation for elect
Call elect to salvation
Amyraldism
Create
Permit Fall
Provide salvation sufficient for all
Elect some, pass over rest
Call elect to salvation
Arminianism
Create
Permit Fall
Provide salvation for all
Call all to salvation
Elect those who believe
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That is the order of events. Not to talk down to anyone, but maybe a wording wold help.
In Supralapsarianism election is pure decree. So it is as if God makes one man and places this one in the elect box. God makes the next man and places him in the reprobate box. In "super" this is done to each man with Gods pleasure of making man that way He sees fit.
In Infralapsarianism election is from the fact of Mans fallen state and His blinded Sin Nature. Election then is mercy on the ones He choose to love and take as His bride (as a church group) out of the mass of sinners. The others are left to their own sin.
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Hyper-Calvinist to me are those that focus mainly on one point...
That being..Irristable Grace. This is why they do not believe in missions. -
We must all pray Saturneptune; :praying: :praying: :laugh:
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You have said you are a Calvinist. But you have never shared your views. How many points to you believe..and why? :) -
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It was a joke. No, I do not believe Moe, Larry, and Curly were students of Calvin. Lighten up, man. Have a coke. (maybe diet) -
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What got us off on the wrong foot in the other thread (and Dale) was not the agreement or disagreement over doctrine, it was the percpetion that some people who believe in God's complete sovereignty appear arrogant and condecending. One of the things I have never learned to do in life is deal with those with those personalities. But then, as so many have pointed out here, the complete person never comes out in this forum, so its a matter of an impression of writing.
Once again, reading the Bible, one can only come to the conclusion that God is completely sovereign. All the "5 points" are logical conclusions of that fact. To me, it is one of those issues that people feel very strongly about one way or the other, and it seems to serve to purpose in constantly battering the issue. "As SBC preacher said one time "We will not be for sure about this issue until eternity."
Defending the faith is very important, however, I have seen this issue taken to such an extreme on this board that Calvinists question arminian salvation and vice versa. We are here to spread the Gospel. Time is precious. Do we really have all that much time to argue this when people are lost? Do the lost care about deep theological arguments at the time?
The name "Calvin" should have never been attached to such principles. This causes some of the problem.
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Not sure if this has been made clear - not all supralapsarians are hypercalvinists, but all hypercalvinists are supralapsarians.
Here's my opinion on the point system:
5 points - Calvinist
4 points - Rejects Limited Atonement, but still a calvinist
3 points - confused, will progress to 4 or 5 points when the confusion clears.
less than 3 points - a budding calvinist, or, an arminian that prefers to think of himself as a calvinist.
So called 1-pointers ("calminians") are arminians that reject the doctrine of falling away from grace.
Modern baptists typically are under revivalist influences (Finney) and doctrinally are a mixed bag of pelagianism, arminianism, and some calvinism. -
I am having trouble relating these "isms" to the five points of Calvinism. Are my interpretations correct? Where does create fit in?
Supralapsarianism <<---Hyper Calvinist (or I should say, all that I have meet. Though this does not make a Hyper-Calvinist..or at least in my view it does not)
Elect some, reprobate rest - Unconditional Election
Create - ?
Permit Fall - Total Depravity
Provide salvation for elect - Irresistible Grace
Call elect to salvation - Perseverance of Saints
Infralapsarianism<<< most other Calvinist
Create - ?
Permit Fall - Total Depravity
Elect some, pass over the rest - Limited Atonement
Provide salvation for elect - Irresistible Grace
Call elect to salvation - Perseverance of Saints
Amyraldism
Create - ?
Permit Fall - Total Depravity
Provide salvation sufficient for all - Limited Atonement
Elect some, pass over rest - Irresistible Grace
Call elect to salvation - Perseverance of Saints
Arminianism
Create - ?
Permit Fall - Total Depravity
Provide salvation for all - Atonement foe All
Call all to salvation - Resistible Grace
Elect those who believe - Only Believers Saved
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