Are you also saying that all men's sins are forgiven?
Unconfessed Sin
Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by skypair, Aug 9, 2007.
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You are obviously making the issue for infants. Infants haven't rejected nor believed, have they. They are "just" according to innocence -- never having been capable of rejecting.
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Brother Bob said:I think its foolish to compare David with those who have the blood already applied to their souls, of which David did not.[/qupte] What???! David didn't go the the pit, the "hell" side of sheol, did he? He went to Abraham's bosom like all who were justified before the cross. You apparently don't understand "slain from the foundation of the world," Bob.
How would that make any difference anyway?Click to expand...
He Stood as a slain Lamb, He had not been slain yet.
Also, who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, of which David did not, Also, who have the mind of Christ, which David did not. While those are good and valid points, they do NOT change the effects of "hormones" and instincts/lusts. And the commandments were there to deny the "liberty" you seemingly give to them.Click to expand...
Why do you think Jesus came if the first covenant was good enough?
You are using what I see on TV all the time, "just come up here and say the sinners prayer and you will be saved" hogwash. Really, Bob. This is beneath you. You are remiss to omit the whole sermon that precedes the invitation. Is Billy Graham "hogwash?"Click to expand...
If you want to tell people what it takes to be saved, tell them what Jesus said to tell them. Why are you trying to go around Jesus? "Go around Christ?" It sounds like you are the one who would have them throw away their WWJD bracelets and obey the Mosaic law!Click to expand...
It worries me that some are causing people to settle down on something short of salvation. Your real worry sounds like it is directed toward whether people will come up short of the "abundant life" -- cause that is about the only thing that we can "judge" is what we see them do.Click to expand...
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins
This scripture alone tells you that sins will condemn you to hell. Hell on earth, Bob.Click to expand...
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Are you saying that all men's sins are forgiven?
Yes, Bob, ALL so far as eternity is concerned. But have you noticed that believers can still experience here on the earth the wrath that God has reserved for the "children of disobedience... therefore be not partakers with them?"Click to expand...
Then, you believe in Universal Salvation?
Let me run it by you again: God may have mercy on confessed sins and we may not suffer the earthly consequences thereof (Sins against God confessed to God; sins against men confessed to men.). He will chastise -- call believer's attention to -- sin in their lives so that He is constantly 'sanctifying' them. If they continue to willfully sin (no confession), there is no more sacrifice for sin (many try to "compensate" for their sin through good works but there is no taking away of the consequences that way).Click to expand...Click to expand... -
Brother Bob said:I understand a fountain being open for the House of David for sin and uncleaness when Jesus died.
He Stood as a slain Lamb, He had not been slain yet.Click to expand...
No, but it does change, Kept by the power of God. Why do you think Jesus came if the first covenant was good enough?Click to expand...
In some things [BG errs], yesClick to expand...
I don't keep running back to David to support today, you do.Click to expand...
That is not where the rich man is.Click to expand...
This is news to me, Jesus said if you die in your sins, where I am you cannot come.
Then, you believe in Universal Salvation?Click to expand...
You seem to be saying if the saved sin willingly contineous, then they are lost for eternity. In other words "fall from Grace".Click to expand...Click to expand... -
Jer 30:15Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow [is] incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: [because] thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.
This is news to me, Jesus said if you die in your sins, where I am you cannot come.
Then, you believe in Universal Salvation? Perhaps you would see it that way. I see that through Christ EVERYONE is given a new body to appear before the judgment seat -- even the GWT. Do you see that, Bob? That tells me that Jesus did die for ALL sin because ALL are resurrected from sheol/hell. It's universal, right? And then there is a "2nd death" for the lost, right? A death because one never was born of the Spirit/indwelt but instead rejected the Spirit. Do you see that? ALL are saved from sin but if there was no Spirit, then He was rejected before the first death.Click to expand...
You seem to be saying if the saved sin willingly contineous, then they are lost for eternity. In other words "fall from Grace". It's not "fall from grace" -- it's never savedClick to expand...
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I understand a fountain being open for the House of David for sin and uncleaness when Jesus died.
He Stood as a slain Lamb, He had not been slain yet.
And David hadn't been raised either. But he wasn't in the pit but in Abraham's bosom, Bob. His faith in God justified him.Click to expand...
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